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Utter BS

1. It's technically a cold virus.

2. It presents nothing like flu.

3. It has a rather unimpressive death rate, especially now that we quit treating it like ARDS and have figured out what treatments are effective.

4. The unlucky ones it hammers, it REALLY hammers.

5. A vaccine won't get rid of it, so these ridiculous shut downs are retarded.

We killed a lot of people in the beginning when they were getting put on ventilators almost immediately. That was a really bad idea that thankfully they learned from!

Yeah, we had a lot of people die in the beginning on vents that would be on high-flow now.

You still do not want to be intubated.

Most of our patients that get tubed die.

Thankfully, the vast majority of our covid+ patients just go home and don't require hospitalization at all, despite mostly being from high-risk demographics.

Are the treating physicians finding that the pathogen is becoming less virulent?

That is difficult to answer. If you are at a top tier institution using up to date accepted best practice treatments in a timely and appropriate manner, and the virus' death rate has plummeted, is it because the virus is becoming LESS virulent, or because your treatment is becoming MORE effective?

Hint: none of the aforementioned institutions will withhold treatments from patients to find out, because even if the virus is mutating to be less deadly, the data shows the best practice treatment regime to be much more effective than other treatment options.

Your reasoning is why I ask this question. It’s too hard for the common man to get sound first hand information. From what I have pieced together severity of cases has diminished across the board. The death rate per infect population is significantly lower. Treatment has improved due to early trial and error. Real on the ground data is golden as far as I’m concerned because the presentation of the illness appears to have changed radically since early summer.

I believe that it was in July that I read an article written by an Italian epidemiologist. Having worked in one of if not the most heavily impacted areas of the world his observation was remarkably different from most of the information being disseminated. His observation, cases in Italy having peaked, was that the virus was mutating and becoming less virulent. His observation was made in consideration of better understanding of the pathogen and the establishment of sound treatment options. At that time he was not seeing ninth and tenth decade patients are n the respiratory distress (generally speaking) as they had been earlier in the event.

Have you had the opportunity to see cases through the entirety of the American side of the pandemic? While not scientific, anecdotal clinical observation has its place in synthesis of data to reach conclusion. That’s the stuff that interests me at this point in the process.

One thing they already know Vaccines will get rid of the virus, not 100%, but close enough. Moderna new drug tried in

15,000 patients only one person got COVID-19 and it was a mild case. In the 15,000 that got a shot with Saline in it,

187 people got COVID-19. That is very good results. It is thought the others will have almost as good as results, over

90%.

They have years experience with a supposed “novel coronavirus”? Mmmmmkay

Vaccines “get rid” of viruses? You’re a dumb son of a bit ch !


The Flu comes every year while millions get the vaccine.

Doubt it was an "accident"

2700 died today from COVID-19. About Feb. it will be more than all the USA deaths in WW2.

9700 in the hospital with it tonight with COVID-19 . Nation wide they are at 97% capacity. The hospitals

can expand to at least 120%, the problem is they do not have the personnel to man it. Some places will be short

equipment and PPE .

At least old people are no longer dying from anything except the Kung flu. Flu deaths are at an all time low of zero this year so that’s good news...

I refuse to accept that you are really that gullible and stupid, but I'm getting damn close.Wear your mask! Jeezus.

The latest is Red Cross blood samples from December 2019 were recently tested and are showing Covid in many of the samplings and in some cases all samples tested in Oregon, Washington were positive for the VID.

Wifey got back from working in Amsterdam in late Dec. then came down with a 2.5 week case of wicked flu. She had all the VID symptoms except for loss of smell.

I ended up with a couple days of feeling like I was coming down with it, but it never took ahold.

I must’ve been an asymptotic super spreader. Damn.

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More than 100,200 patients were in US hospitals Wednesday, according to the COVID Tracking Project.
There were more than 2,670 deaths reported Wednesday, according to Johns Hopkins University.
Those totals have never been higher.

P.S. I would not believe anything on OANN. It is a wacky, tin foil, conspiracy site. In the OP some guy on OANN is pushing the narrative a certain drug is safe and effective. It is NOT effective. Google reliable medical sources.

OK OK - the disease seems unique and somewhat mysterious, some "expert" medical people have differing views and some strongly disagree on important points, the data are all fouled up and specious for more than one reason, and a thread like this is inevitable. But, the OP made a point.

So, two hypothetical questions.

If you know that the US experienced a total of xxx,xxx deaths per year on average for the past several years (maybe expressed as a % of total population) from all causes - and some expert told you last January you that in 2020 the US will experience about the same number of deaths in 2020 - what would be your reaction to that?

If you know that the US experienced a total of xxx,xxx deaths per year on average for the past several years (maybe expressed as a % of total population) from all causes - and some expert tells you that the US will be stricken by a horrible and devastating killer virus during 2020 and that yyy,yyy people will be declared dead from that virus - BUT that the number of total deaths in the US during 2020 from all causes will be the same as in previous years (xxx,xxx) - what would be your reaction to that?

Given the experience to date, what is the medical significance? What is the social significance? What is the political significance?

My reaction??
Covid has a great publicist.

Excess deaths... This year... 250.000 more Americans have died to date, then in the previous 5 years at this date.

Meaning... there are 250.000 more deaths then there should be, including every cause of death.. But... Covid 19.



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"She had all the VID symptoms except for loss of smell"

Some antibiotics will cause you to lose your sense of smell and taste. It happened to me when I was taking antibiotics for an infected finger. I know 2 people who lost their sense of taste after bypass surgery, I guess from the antibiotics they took.