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Be gentle, I don’t know jack about handguns. Going to purchase one of the above. Leaning towards the 18. Is there a reason I should pick one over the other?
Thanks.
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What do you want to use it for?
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Will cary hiking/scouting etc for targets of opportunity and general plinking. Have always had the urge for one for some reason.
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Be gentle, I don’t know jack about handguns. Going to purchase one of the above. Leaning towards the 18. Is there a reason I should pick one over the other?
Thanks. The 18 is a classic K-Frame, all steel, .22 rimfire, mostly meant as a training tool for a full sized service revolver. The 43C is a small, lightweight, pocket gun intended for self-defense. Which purpose will you be putting it to?
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Will cary hiking/scouting etc for targets of opportunity and general plinking. Have always had the urge for one for some reason. Either would be good, but the 18 would be better for shooting while the 43C would be better for concealed, all day, carry for self-defense.
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Either I’m confused, or we are talking about something different. The 43 I’m talking about has a 3.5” barrel and appears to be the same as the 18 with an alloy frame? Am I missing something?
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43 is a J-Frame, 18 is the larger K-frame. I'd pick whichever one you preferred the size/heft of.
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I'd pick the 18. I've had both and found that the 43, while cute, is just too light for steady shooting offhand in the woods or anywhere else. A really strong side wind will blow not just the bullets, but the gun itself sideways (I lived in Wisconsin when I had one.). The 18 will stay put and is just a shorter-barreled 17 ("K-22 Masterpiece Target"), a gun renowned for accuracy.
The 43 has more collector's value--they're much scarcer because many people found them hard to shoot well. For a more shootable J-frame Smith, a 51 (identical to your 43 but with a steel frame and .22 WRM chambers) or 34 (4" bbl. steel frame standard .22 RF) are better IMO. But an 18 is a great general use shooter, for sure.
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Unless you have small hands, buy the 18 and go have fun. My 18 is over 40 years old, has had thousands of rounds down the spout and is as tight as the day that I purchased it. The only downside is that the bluing has worn off some of the high spots and sharp edges from being carried in a leather holster for many years.
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The original 43 was a J-frame(S&W'S small one) with an aluminum frame & a 3.5" barrel. Weight under 20 ounces. Adj. sights.
Models 34 & 63 are J-frames as well with all steel, carbon or stainless respectively. available in 2 or 4" lengths originally with adjustable sights. The newer 63's were/are? offered in 3 & 5", under 30 ounces.
The model 18 is a K frame, or the next size up from the J, adj. sights 4" barrel & a weight of approx. 40 ounces.
All 3 models are 6 shot with the exception of the current or very late model 63's which I believe are 8 shot.
Obviously the 43 is easiest to carry, hardest to shoot well. The 4" 34 & 63 is easier to hit with due to the added weight & can be helped out considerably with the addition of a bigger grip.
The 18 thinks it's a target gun, easy to shoot & accurate.
Step up one more time with the 617. It's a K frame, Stainless, with an underlug barrel, & a 10 shot cylinder. The front weight makes it very easy to shoot, not much for carry IMO.
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I picked up a nice old 43 last week
The thing with them is that their finish just didn't wear well and its hard to find one really nice...and they are priced accordingly.
I thought the only difference between the 18 and 17 was the tapered barrel. I know where a nice 18-3 4'' is sitting right now....for 850.
Don't forget about the model 34, the nice blued steel version of the 43.
I have a 34, 43 and 17, and that 18 I mentioned is calling my name, just wrong time of year and I can probably find one cheaper with some looking.
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I'd go for the 18 if it were me SLM.
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Thanks all, confirms my interest in the 18.
Was not aware of the 34 so will look at that option as well.
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The model 18 should be a better shooter. But I find that I shoot pretty well with my original model 43.
The model 43 weighs ~15.5 oz loaded.
If you don't buy both you'll short yourself somewhere...
I've owned 2 model 17s and eventually let both go, although they were sparklingly accurate. I carried them a lot and just didn't like the 6" barrel. Always intended to own a model 18. Just one of those things that didn't work out.
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18 is on my bucket list and it's a short list.
I have a Model 51, which is a 3 1/2" 22 Mag
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18 is on my bucket list and it's a short list.
I have a Model 51, which is a 3 1/2" 22 Mag I've had both a 17 and an 18 in the past. Wish I hadn't sold my 17, and for a while I was thinking that I also sold my 18 some years past, but now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not sure I did. It might be in my safe somewhere. I'm going to have to look for it.
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Original Model 51s are excellent, and great shooters. Lost mine in the '80s "downturn" (more like a n earthquake where I lived!) and replaced it with a 651 in the late '90s.. Wish I had them both.
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I discovered I really didn't have a use for my Model 18. When I first got it I carried it a lot. I eventually figured out that I liked packing my M63 better. As a trail gun the M63 carried easier and I still hit the things I wanted to hit at about the same rate as I did with the M18. Bad snakes still died, squirrels and rabbits got drilled for the skillet and the little M63 carried more compactly. When I went handgun hunting the M17 6" was a much better choice in my hands than the 4" M18. And so the M18 sat, seldom shot and rarely carried. I sold it for a good bit over what I played for it and made some money. I sort of miss it because I like nice old S&W revolvers, but I doubt it would see anything more than a little range use because nothing has changed in the role I used it for.
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18 is on my bucket list and it's a short list.
I have a Model 51, which is a 3 1/2" 22 Mag I've had both a 17 and an 18 in the past. Wish I hadn't sold my 17, and for a while I was thinking that I also sold my 18 some years past, but now that I'm thinking about it, I'm not sure I did. It might be in my safe somewhere. I'm going to have to look for it. I know the loss of what one owns...
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