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Getting access to those lakes is hard much less searching them.
Damn - hope this guy is alive and okay. Could VERY easily be but it's a remote/wild area. I've fished a few of those lakes - rough country to get access to.
Need to get the Michigan SxS fleet out there, get searchers into the areas. Ever heard of helicopters? I'm sure that area is heavily logged. There are no doubt a matrix of forest service roads.
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UP muzzleloader season is on; had it been during daylight there is a decent chance someone would have seen the chute coming down. I’ve grouse hunted quite a bit in that area - there is some dense and remote [bleep] in that region. Hope he is found alive and well.
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Lotta isolated country up there. The red circle is the temporary flight restriction.
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It's a huge chunk of area Pugs. I drove the length of FFH 13 this summer - takes a couple hours and that's cranking along above the posted... It really is very dense, old woods that has areas of logging but not a lot. Roads are seasonal - only mildly maintained if at all.
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If he paid attention during SERE School, and doesn't die from exposure, he'll be OK.
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If he paid attention during SERE School, and doesn't die from exposure, he'll be OK. Assuming he wasn’t injured in the ejection process. My understanding is it can be a fairly violent affair. It’s curious to me that they don’t have a PLB on their person under their flight suit. One of the first things you learn in level one avalanche classes is that your avalanche beacon needs to be under your external clothing as things get ripped off in a big hurry during an avalanche. I would assume the same could be true for the ejection process, and I would want to have one inside my flight suit I would think - but maybe there is a good reason not to. Perhaps Pugs can weigh in.
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If he paid attention during SERE School, and doesn't die from exposure, he'll be OK. The weather isn't as bad as it could be. 45 now night low of 30 tonight. It could easily be 20-30 degrees colder most years.
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If he paid attention during SERE School, and doesn't die from exposure, he'll be OK. Assuming he wasn’t injured in the ejection process. My understanding is it can be a fairly violent affair. It’s curious to me that they don’t have a PLB on their person under their flight suit. One of the first things you learn in level one avalanche classes is that your avalanche beacon needs to be under your external clothing as things get ripped off in a big hurry during an avalanche. I would assume the same could be true for the ejection process, and I would want to have one inside my flight suit I would think - but maybe there is a good reason not to. Perhaps Pugs can weigh in. An ejection, especially at speed, is a highly violent affair. I had a friend who ejected somewhere above 450 kts in an out of control jet, he has no recollection of the event. Two dislocated and broken legs, broken hip, ruptured spleen, broken arm and shoulder and compressed spine. Only because a coast guard helo was on a training mission nearby did he get out of the Pacific before he died. He eventually flew again but it was sometime. The rest of the crew died. I'm sure he had a survival radio (we had the PRC-112) with a beacon on his body in his vest but I don't know how secure it is in the USAF vest. Ours was in the compartment under the yellow tab on my vest (which was attached to the shroud line cutter). There are incidences of it being ripped off in high speed ejections.
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If he paid attention during SERE School, and doesn't die from exposure, he'll be OK. Assuming he wasn’t injured in the ejection process. My understanding is it can be a fairly violent affair. It’s curious to me that they don’t have a PLB on their person under their flight suit. One of the first things you learn in level one avalanche classes is that your avalanche beacon needs to be under your external clothing as things get ripped off in a big hurry during an avalanche. I would assume the same could be true for the ejection process, and I would want to have one inside my flight suit I would think - but maybe there is a good reason not to. Perhaps Pugs can weigh in. An ejection, especially at speed, is a highly violent affair. I had a friend who ejected somewhere above 450 kts in an out of control jet, he has no recollection of the event. Two dislocated and broken legs, broken hip, ruptured spleen, broken arm and shoulder and compressed spine. Only because a coast guard helo was on a training mission nearby did he get out of the Pacific before he died. He eventually flew again but it was sometime. The rest of the crew died. I'm sure he had a survival radio (we had the PRC-112) with a beacon on his body in his vest but I don't know how secure it is in the USAF vest. Ours was in the compartment under the yellow tab on my vest (which was attached to the shroud line cutter). There are incidences of it being ripped off in high speed ejections. Cool, Pugs! BTW, what do those missiles painted on the side of your aircraft represent?
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I was happy to hear they found the seat, but not happy to hear the ejection was over marshlands. Fingers crossed.
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. BTW, what do those missiles painted on the side of your aircraft represent? AGM-88 HARM missiles we shot in Kosovo hunting SAM sites during Allied Force.
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After almost 24 hours and no beeper, no voice, it is beginning to sound not good.
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. BTW, what do those missiles painted on the side of your aircraft represent? AGM-88 HARM missiles we shot in Kosovo hunting SAM sites during Allied Force. Do you know by damage assessment if you were successful in destroying those SAM sites? Hopefully your kill percentage is 100% but in reality I know it can be variable. On another note, nice job helping Hatari and Mr. Ernie! 👍
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After almost 24 hours and no beeper, no voice, it is beginning to sound not good. Unsubstantiated word on one of the pilot sites was there was no ejection. No idea about the report of the seat.
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. BTW, what do those missiles painted on the side of your aircraft represent? AGM-88 HARM missiles we shot in Kosovo hunting SAM sites during Allied Force. SA6? 2K12 Kub?
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. BTW, what do those missiles painted on the side of your aircraft represent? AGM-88 HARM missiles we shot in Kosovo hunting SAM sites during Allied Force. hey man. I worked Intel at Aviano during the Kosovo bombing. I'm Air Force but we briefed the Navy and Marine crews there.
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. BTW, what do those missiles painted on the side of your aircraft represent? AGM-88 HARM missiles we shot in Kosovo hunting SAM sites during Allied Force. SA6? 2K12 Kub? Collected the whole set but . 6's were our primary target - the Hornets and F-16 could handle the easier SA-2 and 3. The 6's were the experienced operators and had been modified and we had a much greater capability than the single seat guys to customize the missile targeting to defeat their countermeasures,
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. BTW, what do those missiles painted on the side of your aircraft represent? AGM-88 HARM missiles we shot in Kosovo hunting SAM sites during Allied Force. hey man. I worked Intel at Aviano during the Kosovo bombing. I'm Air Force but we briefed the Navy and Marine crews there. Then I'm sure we saw each other during strike planning. That pic was Aviano.
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