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All I know is that back in the 90's we were on the KD range at Camp Ripley doing a rifle class for the St Paul CIRT team snipers and some guys from Moose Lake prison.

One guy's 700 would fire at least half the time when you flipped from safe to fire. It was repeatable. I don't know what the department did with the rifle, but I do know that, considering LE are part of the small shooting population that would (and should) be finger fugging the safety with it pointed at someone they may or may not intend to shoot, it was not confidence instilling. It was taken off the line after we confirmed the officer was not lying.

It was a brand new rifle. Yes, the officer "adjusted" the trigger. No, he didn't remove any parts or stone any parts, he only messed with screws.

YMMV, but any trigger that can be "set" to fire when the safety is moved from safe to fire isn't something I want on a rifle, even if it's a super rare tolerance stacking anomally.

quote = 260 remguy

" In the grand scheme of things, I wonder how unsafe they really are?

Millions of them put into service for over 60 years with many millions of rounds fired and a failure rate that is a fraction of 1%? "
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YES SIR ! Since 1960........2020, I'm in the 99 percentile ! Nary a problem one !

Jerry

If Remington 700 series triggers scare you, you are wise to avoid them.

I have never had or seen a Remington trigger fire when the safety was released, but safeties are mechanical devices that can fail.

Bearrr264 would never let anyone hunt with him if the person was using a rifle with DSTs or an exposed hammer. He had seen more than a couple of accidental discharges from rifles so equipped and didn't want them around him.

They don't scare me, but I've never owned one since maybe two weeks after that class.

Unlike you, I have seen it. And it wasn't a one-off, it was repeatable.

Funny thing is, everyone thought the cop was full of it, until we realized he wasn't. I'd be lying if I said I didn't think he was lying when he popped one off before targets were hot. Everyone thought it was on operator error ND, not a mechanical ND.

That said, hundreds of 700s through dozens of classes were fine until that one wasn't, and I never saw it happen again.

Sometimes, once is enough.

I've seen them where if you closed the bolt too hard it would fire, and one if you banged on the side of the rifle it would fire. Because people who didn't know what they were doing "adjusted" them.

I'm not aware Mike Walker said any such thing. I'd sure like to see or hear that.

On the other hand Mike Walker did say it was a good trigger.

Like I said, an error rate that is a fraction of 1%, Maybe the police officer did more than turn screws and was embarrassed to admit it. The fact that it was repeatable on that one rifle suggests to me that there was something wrong with that particular rifle. Maybe a factory error, maybe an after-market error, no way to know without being able to inspect the rifle in question.

Remington's demise had nothing to do with triggers or even particularly bad management. It had everything to do with the Italian holding company Cerberus bleeding Remington dry, and a series of dumbshceit Italian CEO's who didn't have clue about the American firearms market.

I'm a free market guy, but what Cerberus did in conjunction with another foreign company should be criminal.

Even the NY Times acknowledged it......

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/01/magazine/remington-guns-jobs-huntsville.html

Cerberus isn't Italian. It was good ole Americans who screwed over Remington.

Not in deposition he didn’t...

You can drive the market, like Ruger has done to a great degree with the American Rifle series, or you can react to what others are doing. Remington has done a lot of reacting.

An example of investment groups creating wealth for themselves by eliminating real wealth in the form of the manufacture of a tangible product. There was nothing "free market" about anything that happened with Remington.
By the way, I've seen dozens of rifles (Remingtons and others) which would fire when the safety was released and I know the cause. Hint: it isn't the goddam connector.
There have been some big changes in the firearms industry and in marketing models over the last forty years and it is, to a great extent, these changes which have caused so many firearms related companies to fold. Of course, one must also factor in the retirement of the managers of the 1960's and 1970's. It was in the early '80's that marketing really started to change. Some companies were able to adapt and some were not. GD

An example of investment groups creating wealth for themselves by eliminating real wealth in the form of the manufacture of a tangible product. There was nothing "free market" about anything that happened with Remington.
By the way, I've seen dozens of rifles (Remingtons and others) which would fire when the safety was released and I know the cause. Hint: it isn't the goddam connector.
There have been some big changes in the firearms industry and in marketing models over the last forty years and it is, to a great extent, these changes which have caused so many firearms related companies to fold. Of course, one must also factor in the retirement of the managers of the 1960's and 1970's. It was in the early '80's that marketing really started to change. Some companies were able to adapt and some were not. GD

Oh, by the way, the OP's rifle is simply exhibiting the total lack of primary extraction which has come standard on every recent 700 I've seen. GD

Don’t how much truth there is to it but I heard it’ll probably be a year or better before you see any “new” Remington guns of any kind on the market. Hate to see happen but I worked for the investment company that owned them and I can see why it happened. Always had a soft spot for the Remington brand .

You have 28k posts on a forum.....having a 28k post count does not make one an authority on the subject. There are an awful
lot of people who haven’t had an ounce of issue with a properly tuned walker trigger. Over many years and many thousands of rounds. First hand experience I might add not ; something that was read. ......If a target trigger is what you desire maybe you are better served by a different system....but for someone just wanting a nice hunting weight trigger. I find them awfully hard to beat.

I think they’re good triggers as well and you’re right, the majority didn’t have problems, but as others have mentioned SOME of them were very unsafe. The Walker designed trigger was awesome right up until it wasn’t and there are plenty that are still out there behaving. I just wouldn’t wanna get the one that isn’t.

I don't think you can blame the investment company whether it be Freedom Arms Group or Cerberus or whoever.

Remington has had 2 good designs in the past 100 years, the 870 and the 700 which is basically a pipe nipple barrel into a female pipe nipple receiver.

All the 710's and other turd imports/ budget guns are best left at the bottom of the river.

they got into bed with the Wal-Marts of the world and had to continually canibalize their quality to hit price points. The last 3 model 7's I owned would slice your fingers loading rounds in the mag box, one had non-concentric muzzle threading, and all of their "matte black" finishes were gray, cheap, and fragile

All their cartridges were mis-marketed. Think if the 260 remington had half the following of the 6.5 Creemoor? Remington could survive just on the ammo... It's the same damn round!!!

the best part of a Remington Ultra Mag is the name. They seem like a better cartridge after you have had some RUM.

I think Like Winchester, they will be back. Probably better, probably move out of New York to a state that likes employers and businesses, they are welcome to come to Texas, we got land to spare.

True, but the Remington haters on here would have to take the blinders off before they could understand that. Remington did have some QC problems, ALL companies do at some point in time. I read all these posts about how someone bought a "cheap" Remington 700 from Walmart, and it ain't nothing but junk, should have been thrown in the junk pile. Well, I've got two 700's chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor. One is a rifle that retails for around $1200, the other I paid $400 for it at Walmart, and both are equally accurate.

I both own, and have currently owned a goodly number of Remington firearms. I hate to see them go under and hope that they resurface, and resume making guns again.

A quick thought on the 870. They've made 10 or 11 MILLION of them. There are only so many buyers out there.
They are so rugged there really will never be a shortage of 870's till we start hunting with plasma guns, 30 watt range.