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Another vote for studded snow tires....they're the next best thing to chains and a lot more convenient. I tried Blizzaks one year...problem was, with the soft rubber, they only rated them for something like 55 mph, even in summer. That didn't work for me and they wore out really fast.
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I can only tell you what we do- you will have to decide for your conditions/needs.
We have two dedicated sets of tires for the Expedition EL, one of them studs, each on their own rims.. This takes care of most of our winter travel. I only have M&S Michelins on the Ram, which is winter used some, moyly just locally. It is our summer-travel vehicle with camper, for the most part.
Studs make a huge difference on ice for control, especially in 4WD. Since much of our winter driving is also on exposed pavement, the studs are usually effective for 3 winters max. But then they can be pulled and the tires used as summer tires until replacement time comes. They do help some on stopping as well.
The trouble is many people think that studs in 4WD is permission to drive as if they were on dry roads. Not even close!
If some jack-leg is swapping tires on your rims twice a year, the beads will be ruined within 2 years. Maybe even the first time. Each set needs it's own rims.Then you can change them out yourself, or rotate, except for when they need balancing. I have ours balanced each change over spring and fal.- and they charge less for swapping rimmed set s than breaking them down each changeover.
i have the Ram's ytires balance before any major trip, or every 10,000 or 15,000 oil change/tire rotation, whichever comes first.
We try to stagger our tire purchases so no 2 sets are replaced in any single year. expensive! ^^^^What I would have typed! I don’t leave home without them. Addendum to my above post + these 2 fine mens replies; As to tire rotation - almost all & all the best snow tires are directional ='s left side front to rear & right side front to rear. You'd be flabbergasted, if I told you how many vehicles we see in my shop, with either 2 or 4 of them running the wrong way ! 
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Depends on where the "long trip" is going to take you. If you come to Wisconsin with studded tires, they will likely throw you in jail and impound the car. We use to be able to have them, but they wrecked the roads, so now we just play bumper cars all winter. Best check the state laws where you are headed.
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For the record:
This is on an AWD Toyota Highlander. Unless I can find some good used rims I'll have to pay to have them swapped. They're 19" wheels and quite expensive, even used, so it might cost more for the wheels than 6 or 8 years of paying to have them swapped. I doubt I can find any older steel wheels. Everything in 19" is going to be fancy aluminum and over $1000 for a set.
I've been running studs on my old minivan fwd for years so I'm not new to them. We'd take it on this trip just for the tires but I don't trust it very far out of town any more. Here we can run studs Oct 15 through Apr 15...at least I think those are the dates. Highlanders came with 17 inch rims too which would be a hell of a lot cheaper to buy tires for. Maybe worth checking with an auto wrecker or two? Or even the tire shops sometimes sell cheap steel rims for this purpose for not bad prices.
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When mine come off, I mark them to the corner they were on. The next winter, I swap them front to rear but not side to side. Turning a studded tire around after it's been run will throw studs.
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I get pretty good running life out of my Nokian Hakkepelliitta tires. I am getting about 25,000 miles on a set. Which for me is about 6 years. No complaints.
Good God did I get tired of laying down in the wet snow to put chains on so I could get up my 3/4 mile long driveway.
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I get pretty good running life out of my Nokian Hakkepelliitta tires. I am getting about 25,000 miles on a set. Which for me is about 6 years. No complaints.
Good God did I get tired of laying down in the wet snow to put chains on so I could get up my 3/4 mile long driveway. My driveway's a lot shorter than that but I put a plow on our Razor just for that reason.
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I put studded tires on a awd highlander and a front wheel drive corolla in the winter. My last sets I ordered online and had them stud them. I do not have extra rims. I pay a small shop in town to switch them around for me. Not a biggie.
We do not get alot of real ice, like what you might in western oregon or washington. Wydot thinks black ice is snow that has melted and then frozen again. But I really like the studs even on hard packed snow. My junky little corolla with studs is almost on rails even on serious snow pack/icy conditions. If clearance isn't an issue I'd rather have it than any 4x4 or awd with regular tires. My kids are always laughing at me because I'll try and drift it around snowy corners (in safe places) and I really can't do it. It just sticks. Now my wife's awd with studded snow tires is unreal.
Down side is a little extra cost and a little extra road noise. I really only notice the road noise on dry roads at slower speeds. I hear all the time that studded tires skate on dry pavement. It isn't so. Maybe they give up some performance, but I'm not driving the indy 500.
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I liked the studs I had, the only drawback is dry road breaking.
You can easily pull them out of you want.
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RC- $1K for rims is cost effective if over that 6-8 years of twice yearly "rimming", several sets of tire beads are efed up, ruining an otherwise functional set of tires. And how long are you going to be running that vehicle- more than that 6-8 years?
A case of false economy, IMO.
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I had a set of tires with siping done to them. In my use, it was much better on wet roads than the stock tire. Some tires have it already straight from the manufacturer. Worth a look at least.
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For the record:
This is on an AWD Toyota Highlander. Unless I can find some good used rims I'll have to pay to have them swapped. They're 19" wheels and quite expensive, even used, so it might cost more for the wheels than 6 or 8 years of paying to have them swapped. I doubt I can find any older steel wheels. Everything in 19" is going to be fancy aluminum and over $1000 for a set. I found a set of OEM factory alloy wheels for my 4Runner on a forum much like the Campfire but dedicated to 4Runners. The forum has a classified section, and I bought four wheels for $400, and the seller was local to me. If you can find a Highlander forum you might get lucky and find a seller who is looking to upgrade his wheels and wants to sell the take-offs to recoup some money. As others have mentioned, you can also go with a less-expensive "base model" Highlander wheel. Honestly, a smaller rim with a narrower snow tire is probably better than a wide tire anyway. In addition to being better in snow, something like a more basic 17" snow tire is likely to be less expensive than a lower profile, 19" snow tire, which would help offset the cost of the wheels.
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What is this ice you refer to? It's what goes in whiskey. Heretic
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I don't run studs, but do have winters on from mid Oct. to March here in central BC. Too noisy and irritating on bare pavement. Drive to the conditons and you'll be fine imo.
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If it were me and you don't require studded tires all winter I'd look into two sets of chains. I've had good luck with the diamond type. A bit expensive but easy to install and no need to swap out summer winter tire.
I drive an AT tire, but have used these when it gets dicey.
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I run 29" hakkapelitta Nokians on my bike. Be Well, RZ.
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I put my studded snow tires on today They are on separate rims. The studs make the snow tires 3 X better.
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Nokian Hakkepelitta on a bike? ???
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Soft compound studded snowtires flat out work. We put them on the handicap access van my parents have and on their truck. It makes a difference
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For the record:
This is on an AWD Toyota Highlander. Unless I can find some good used rims I'll have to pay to have them swapped. They're 19" wheels and quite expensive, even used, so it might cost more for the wheels than 6 or 8 years of paying to have them swapped. I doubt I can find any older steel wheels. Everything in 19" is going to be fancy aluminum and over $1000 for a set.
I've been running studs on my old minivan fwd for years so I'm not new to them. We'd take it on this trip just for the tires but I don't trust it very far out of town any more. Here we can run studs Oct 15 through Apr 15...at least I think those are the dates. RC, talk to your tire dealer. You may not require 19 inch wheels on that Toyota. You might need the 19 inch diameter to clear your calipers and you might not. Smaller rims with a taller profile tire can give you identical rolling diameter, and be much less expensive.
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