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I’m new as a member but have got some good advice over years from post..but I’m just curious why the 35 calibers get no love..I have a few and I doubt I ever deer hunt without my 358. Nothing againest other calibers I have all kinds. I’ve seen guys shoot deer with 6.5 cm and 243s etc and they travel good distance and may not bleed well. There some big body bucks in WV. The whole time I’m helping I’m thinking my 358 wld have put it down or left a heck of blood trail. These shots were pretty good btw. Any ideas why manufactures won’t make more of these guns each year, if they put out low number I guarantee they will sell out. Grice gun had no problem selling out of ruger 358 American models last year, glad I got one lol

I've found the 35's kill no better and sometimes worse for deer. I like them but really have no use for them when it comes to deer hunting.

I hunted all over Alaska with a 35 Whelen. Since I moved back down south I’ve found no need for it where I hunt. I have too many memories with it to send it down the road and I might go shoot another moose someday and use it then. Otherwise I’ve found that smaller flatter shooting calibers with less recoil work just as well if not better for deer hunting where I hunt.

Lotsa love for 35’s here, I’m pretty sweet on the whelen and 358 win.

I use smaller diameter bullets for hunting deer, not because my .35 Whelen doesn't work well, it does, but I find that 7mm or .30 cal does everything I want when hunting deer. I reserve the .35 for bigger game, especially elk and moose. Wonderful elk / moose cartridge with 250 grain bullets and has never let me down. Lately I've been dabbling with the 9.3mm cartridges, x62 and x74R. Very similar results. The 9.3's competition for my attention takes away a little of the .35's appeal for me, since the 9.3's are a popular and traditional choice worldwide. I like to hunt in Europe and Africa, and the 9.3's are common and widely accepted there. Whereas the .35's are pretty much an American thing. The recent North American craze promoting long range sniping at game animals hasn't helped the .35 calibers popularity either.

My first 35 Whelen was a 1903-A3 Springfield with a 24" Buhmiller barrel and Stith mount 2.5K Weaver. Weighed 10 1/2 pounds. It went down the road in a trade. A Ruger M 77 replaced it, but after some use it has become a safe queen, but I still love it.

Oh yaaaaa. 👍

Is yours a tang safety or a MKII Roundoak? Mine was a tang safety UL in 30/06 that shot patterns. I rebarreled it with a 20” #4 Montana Rifleman barrel. Slayed much stuff with it with 250s powered by 4064.

Same here judman

[quote=TheKid]Is yours a tang safety or a MKII Roundoak? Mine was a tang safety UL in 30/06 that shot patterns. I rebarreled it with a 20” #4 Montana Rifleman barrel. Slayed much stuff with it with 250s powered by 4064.]

How does the 4064 powder do I been using 4198 in my 358 loads

TheKid. The Ruger 35 Whelen is a tang safety 77R (circa1990). The guy I bought it from said that cartridge came in a RS and a 24" barrel, but he had Ruger sell him one with no sights and a 22" barrel.

Full case under a 250 gives 2525-2550 from my 20” barrel. For years I used nothing but reformed WW 270 brass but I do have some Remington 35 Whelen brass now.

I like C&C 250s, killed a caribou with a 200TSX and another with a 180 Speer but otherwise all 250s for me. Had good luck with Barnes Originals and the long defunct Wyoming Bonded Bullets. I happened into some of the Wyomings and after using them successfully I happened to find an old add in the back of a 1992 Handgunner magazine. A little detective work got me in touch with the owner who still has his equipment and makes one run a year for existing longtime customers. After visiting with him he agreed to put me on the list and made me a run of bullets every year. I have a bunch of them left as well as a good supply of 250 partitions and Hornadys. Probably have a lifetime supply of 35 bullets plus a bunch of factory Fusion ammo I bought on clearance for $3 a box a couple years ago. Maybe someday I’ll bear or moose hunt again and use some of it up.

I took a MKII with a slick 22” barrel in 350 Rem Mag with me when I moved to Alaska. Never used it on anything, ended up swapping it for a 45/70 and doing that for a year before mending my ways. After that I went to the Whelen and it was my main squeeze for 9 seasons.

I've used 250gr partitions almost exclusively in my 35 Whelen, though I have killed one deer with a 225gr ballistic tip and one with a 225gr partition.

358w was loaded with 200gr tsx bullets

I like my Whelen that's about 10.5 lbs all up with 24" bbl, BDC scope, a full magazine, and sling. I load warm, and the gun weight, while not awesome when climbing up (and down) after elk, does a fine job of recoil dampening. I'd not want a lighter gun, though many do. That Ruger is pretty!

Dunno what my whelen weighs but she’s pretty light and handy.

I have certainly enjoyed my 35 Whelen. 1941 Model 70 converted to left hand. Originally a 30-06 but I had it rebored by Cliff Labounty. I could be fine with it if I were limited to one rifle for big game. Caribou and moose are not so fond of it. I've taken three caribou and one moose with mine. The caribou all with 250 grain Partitions. The moose with a Hornady 275 grain round nose.

I've always thought a light, 35 Remington with a low magnification fixed power scope, like the old school Weaver K1.5x, stoked with a 200 grain round nose, would be just the ticket for still hunting whitetails.

I think you'll find plenty of love on this site for 35's.

What are the details on your rifle?

700, hart rem sporter 1-12” @22”, McMillan hunter, 805 trigger, 3-10 leupold. Lotta muscle in a handy package. Shoots pretty damn good

Any opinions on building a 358 win 20” bolt gun with a 1-10 twist.? I have seen 12, 14 and 16 twist rates. I tend to like them faster than slower. Pac-Nor makes a 6 groove 1-10”.

I am thinking a McM Edge, Defiance SA and PN #1 @ 20”. ADL configuration with that 1-10”? Too fast?

Not for me! I have a 1-10 Krieger and a 1-9.5 Benchmark I'll use for the Whelen soon as I get ready to sent it off. RPM's don't hurt good bullets a bit in my opinion and I haven't seen a derogatory effect on accuracy either.

Your rifle sounds like a cool set up! Hope you do it.

I have a .358 and a 35 Whelen but neither gets much action unless something larger than deer is the quarry.

Having killed deer with both, I can tell ya that neither kills bigger-bodied deer any dead’r than smaller chamberings.

Welcome to the fire, Nate.

Nice !

I have one 358 (custom pre-war M70) that worked just fine on a number of critters (200 gr TTSX) in Africa in 2012. I also have an early Ruger RS that I bedded into a Bansner stock and had matte blued. It has taken Nilgai (250 gr Partition), elk and moose (225 gr TSX) and two black bear (250 gr Speer). Nice lightweight piece. I also have a LaBounty rebore on a pre-war JP Sauer Mauser that has taken a hog (250 Hornady RN). The latter will make next years Campfire hog hunt. Years back a 358 BLR and a 350 Rem SS Ruger.

Plenty of us .358 shooters here.



Also plenty of guys that think they are a waste...to each his own.


I've killed plenty of deer with 3006 and 308s. There's just something different about hitting them with a .358+" bullet IMO.


Does it make a lick of difference?? Probably not.


I mostly like to be different and not shoot stuff everyone else has. Kinda boring.


I know I know. I can't borrow ammo or stop at any ole store and grab ammo when I forget mine. Lol. I get that. Valid enough point. I hunt with all sorts of "specialty" stuff (for lack of a better term). Arrows and broadheads...the inline bullets and loads I run...the rifle chamberings I run.

I combat it various ways. If you're going on a trip and only take 1 gun....you've already messed up IMO.

First guy to post up a picture of their 35 Newton (big game in the picture is extra credit) gets my "loony" seal of approval. (Disclaimer: worth of said approval is unknown)

I am a huge 35 fan, especially the .358 Win. I have two customs in 358 Win both barreled by Pacnor. Winchester Classic SA and Sako AII. They’ve been magic on coyotes, pigs and deer with 225 SGKs out to 300 yds

1. Welcome to the fire.
2. Dig a little deeper. There’s plenty of love for the 35s here


Okie John

I have an 1885 High Wall that I sent to JES Rebore and he rebored it to 35 Whelen with a 5 groove in a 10 twist

Very accurate even with Barnes 180 grain TTSX

Yessir Doc, 225 sgk are all you need. The beauty of 35’s is, you don’t need high zoot bullets, the recoil vs killin is very manageable, if ya hunt locales where your wading through salal, Oregon grape, devils club, sword ferns, black berry etc etc with rain blow-in up your ass, they do in fact anchor game faster and with authority than lesser calibers..

For hunting the 225 SGK is indeed a big killer, better BC and SD than the 200s, anything like Elk or Bear, I might swap with a Partition in same...225.

Anyone who has burned 357 handgun bullets out of say a 350 RM or similar on milk jugs at 200 yds know how it makes you smile.

Quite versatile, and underutilized. The RM and 358 WCF are my fave......nothing wrong with a Whelen.

Nate, the guys that had deer run with 243s and 6.5s......likely did not plug vitals with the proper bullet. If an animal is lost, one never knows the path and penetration of a bullet, so it's pure speculation and often the cartridge gets blamed...........hunters NEVER mess up a shot as we know...or fail to choose an appropriate bullet.

All bullets are not created equal...........nor shooters skill.

Yep.

Maybe not so much out in the real world, but here on the Fire, 35's are oft discussed, mostly good stuff.

But, this IS the Fire....



DF

I have only one new, a Remington 141 pump in 35 Remington. Killed a deer with it 2 months ago and it works today as well as it did the year it was made (1941)

But soon I am going to have another upper for my AR10 in 358. Should be a good combo I think. I want to go with the Nosler 225 grain bullets in either Partitions or Accubonds. The sierra in the same weight can be my "practice bullet". Not too bad for a practice bullet as my friend Dan told me he gets good results with that one on elk from his 35 Whelen. But the Noslers will allow me to use it at very close range clear out to the longest practical range the 358 is good for and still give respectable expansion.

I hope to have the upper ready to zero and use mid winter.

I had an 1895 Browning 30/06 rebored to 35 Whelen. It was a lot of gun for NY whitetails so I sold it. Years later I bought a Browning BLR in 358 Winchester. I that that rifle and cartridge much better.

Dan

When I did my .358 Win Pre-64 Fwt, .243 rebore project, I could have converted the SA set up to LA, like I did with my Pre-64 .243 that's now a 6.5-284. That one needed a LA, IMO.

But, I didn't think I needed such a stout round in that rifle. The .358 Win seemed a better fit and was a lot less trouble, staying with SA parts. In a Fwt, one can crank the .358 Win to a pretty ferocious beast with the right loads. No, it won't compete with the Whelen, but is stout enough for what I'm using it for. And, I do have M-70 .375 H&H if the .358 Win needs help.

DF

This but my m77RS with factory irons only has a 22" barrel a Vari X lll 2.5x8 sits in the rings some deer and 2 elk all the gun a man needs. Mb

I've got a half dozen 358's from 16" to 24", all Savage lever guns. Love em.

Here's the 16" carbine back when I tried a Burris Fastfire III. It went away now shooting irons.

I built a .35 Whelen on a pre'64 M/70 nearly 30 yrs. ago, it has been my primary whitetail rifle for many years. In the beginning I shot 225gr. Sierra Game Kings over IMR 4064, in the last several years I have been shooting 200gr. Hornady Inter-lok RN over IMR 3031 an extremely accurate load that is lights out for whitetails. If I were younger I would build a .358 on a pre'64 M/70 FWT.

I believe you, Bob. The gentleman I bought the rifle from also gave me a Ruger catalog that showed a 24" barrel for the Whelen. What year manufacture is your Ruger?

Now that's a handy shootin' iron!

That’ll be a cool rifle.

I’m not a huge Sierra game Bullet guy but their 225 GK is a great one from the Whelen and 358 Win. Haven’t caught one yet in deer and after shooting a bunch into jugs it holds up very well.

I too, am a big 35 fan. I have a 35 Whelen, 358 Norma mag., and a 358 STA.

So far, I have only used the Whelen on game.

I have taken Elk with 250 gr., a Moose with 280gr. SAF, and my wife has taken a couple of Elk with her Whelen using Federal TBBC 225gr. She likes the lighter recoil of the lighter bullet. I have to admit that her Elk have dropped right where they stood. Hmmmm. Nope, I'm sticking with the 250s and 280s...

beretzs,

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

You just won the looney award. Congrats. Cool rifle!

A guy does not see this every day.

Ha! Didn’t mean to do that. I like the 35’s quite a lot.

The Newton was a rebore. Shot fantastic but the 20” barrel was too rough when you started pushing above 35 Whelen loads. I’ve got a 1-9.5 Benchmark and 1-10 Krieger waiting for another action to show up.

I’ve got a 700 CDL and 7600 35 Whelen

Remington M600 350 Rem Mag

BLR 358 Win

Got rid of a peach 336 35 Remington that I keep trying to get back!

Like JMan and others mentioned, I don’t know if they are better than 3 dozen others but for BG like elk and deer in cover they work real well for me.

First Newton I recall that's not a 6.5.......nice.

've used my 358norma on a couple moose, a caribou a black bear and an interior Grizly. None of them liked it very much. The Grizzly was a 250 gr Barnes original, all the others were 250 Gr Noslers over IMR4350.
Super accurate but an handful to shoot. I defiantly don't go shoot a bunch of rounds at the range with it, but when it barks, animals die.

I love my Whelen. It's easily the second favorite rifle I own. 250 grain partitions seem extremely effective.

Roundoak,

Nice pic, that one brings alot of memories. I had 3 tang safety 77s at one time. Killed my first buck with a M77 308Win

Lots of 35 love here:
ARs in 35 HRT and 357 AR
Savage 99 in 358
700 in 358 Norma
98 in 35 Gibbs
Marlins in 35 Rem and 356 Win
Win 94 in 356
Small Ring Mauser in 35 Rem
Dan Wesson and Seville in 357 Max
A slug of 357 mag revolvers and even a 357 Sig

My 358 Norma and Dan Wesson will go to the grave with me!!

I've sold a 350 Rem mag (XP-100), 358 Norma (98) , 35 Rem (Contender) and a 35 Whelen (03A3).

I'm sure I'm forgetting 1 or 2. If I find a set of dies cheap, a 35 Newton will be built on the 98 action I have waiting for a project.

Roundoak, mine is 22" reconfirmed that 10 minutes ago m77RS serial # 772- 500xx I bought it new in the box. The LGS I bought it from had 24 of them and had them sale priced at $289 , he let me lift the lid on a bunch till I found the wood I wanted. IIRC they had cases of RP factory ammo 250 gr rn loads for $8.00 a box. Mb

That’s a great looking Whelen!

Some mighty fine 35s here. I love my whelen. It's a douglas barreled MkII loaded with either 225 TSX or 225 Sierra GK, it works awesome on deer and hogs.

When a guy finds a load that meets his needs sometimes it s hard to move on looking for others. My 77rs likes the 225 gr npt even though I have 225 nbt's, 225 sgk, 250 rn Hornady's and 250 speers in my supply. Imr 4320 is my powder of choice but will probably have to find another. Still have some factory 250 gr Rn Rem ammo but I'm not sure why. Mb

Nice Scotty 👍

I really like the 35's. I have 2, a .358 Win and a .356 Win. I have taken deer with both and the results are either bang flop or a short blood trail a blind man could follow. I use them in thick timber or brush country mostly. I have yet to see a smaller cartridge leave the type of blood trail these do.

One weird thing I've found with the 35's I've owned is how accurate they have been. My 35 whelen has been one of the most consistently accurate rifle I have ever owned.

Lowly .35 rem fan.
Super16



And 760

Id like a stainless Ruger 1A in .35 rem

Nice rifle and few nice bucks there hookeye

I love my 35-30 wildcat...does that count?

30/30 parent? Do you have specific dies or use a combo of other dies to make it work

Lever gun?

35 whelen is awesome.i use mine for black bear and grizz and took a moose in the yukon with it.22" barrel for handling the thicker stuff.it just kills game quickly..

Pretty fun little gun.

Pre 64 Model 70 Custom - its a real shooter with 180Gr TTSX and 200Gr federal fusions.

Now, I like that one.

DF

The 35 Whelen in the Rem pump has a big following amongst hound hunters in Oz. These guys hunt Sambar deer that are large deer that are hard to put down. It has become an iconic rifle and calibre amongst those hunters.

Remington dropped the chambering a few times but demand was so strong for the combination here that our local distributor had special runs made to continue to satisfy local demand. Who knows what will happen now with the demise of Remington.

Don't like them at all Have 2, LH Ruger 77 MK 2 custom barrel35 Whelen AI, Rem 7600 35 Whelen.

They seem to kill above their paygrade with standard bullets 225 to 250 gr on bigger game.

Old picture Rem 7600 35 Whelen 250 Speer



Shot a good-sized black bear with 225 gr bullet quartering shot very thick brush looked like someone threw a paint bucket of blood with moose it just works

Awesome picture KK. That’s pretty danged Whelen looking if There ever was one. Too cool.

+1

DF

Great round! I like it for big hogs as it will usually leave a blood trail if the hog happens to get in the brush. For deer in the thick it has plenty of penetration for any angle, breaking bones or otherwise. Favorite bullets are the 225 Woodleigh, 250 gr. Hornady RN, 250 gr. Speer. I have some 250 gr. Hornady Spire points, 250 Partitions and some 225 Sierra's but have been very satisfied with he bullets I have already used. I used the 200 gr. Hornady Spire point on a few animals but when that box of bullet ran out I just started using the heavier bullets. My rifle is a FN Mauser with a 19 inch barrel and an off brand synthetic stock topped with a 4 power Leupold. Great shooter, not too heavy and handy. If I were not destined to test every bullet diameter out there and play with them all this rifle would get a lot more use.

Maybe JB is reading and can chime in, as I had a 338/06 that was 1/2 MOA with many loads, my Ruger 350 RM was a solid shooter as well.

JB had some things to say about the reason larger bores often surprise folks with accuracy. MY thoughts had been consistent powder burn given generous bore volume, but JB talked about the bullets, perhaps the concentrity of the bullet jackets.....if he sees my posts I am sure he will jump in to explain.

They do shoot, and are without a doubt very effective killers, often with exits and copious blood trail that's rarely needed and very short if so.

I had a sordid affair with one 35 in my past.

Took a first gen 7 STW Sendero and rebarreled it to the 358 STA, for the off chance I might go for a big bear some day.

When the time came, it was ready, willing, & able.....

That is a really cool color phase pn that bear. 😀

You might say I like my 35’s.
35 Whelen X 3
350 Rem Mag X 2

My go to powder for accuracy or game in all of them is H-4895 in combination with:
200 Hornady Spire Pt
200 Accubond
225 Sierra
225 Ballistic Tip (discontinued)
225 Accubond
225 Partition
250 Speer
250 Partition

I’m new to 35’s, but I like the 358 Winchester.

+2


Love that 7600!!



That’s a whole lotta love right there man dang; seems like you could work some dental work loose with that thing!

What bullet, velocity, etc?

Circa 1930's Remington Model 30 rebored to .35 Whelen.
Savage 99F in .358.
Marlin 336 in .35 Re.

I like them.

250 Partitions at 3000....uff duh......

I have had a variety of .35 caliber rifles, from the little .357 magnum M92 Lever and .357 maximum TC Contender single, to .356 Win. M94, and some .35 Whelens, M700, Ruger #1. Liked them all, but only kept one in my present collection, a very nice Sako AV Classic with custom 24" 1-12" twist barrel. Never selling that one.
But the most interesting and unusual rifle was one that came to Canada after a hard life in Africa. A small ring Mauser sporter in 9x57MM. the cartridge duplicates .358 Win ballistics and mine shot the Hornady 250 gr. RN well with its .357" bore. It was an obviously experienced rifle and I probably should have left it as is - but I refinished it. It had a few nicks in the barrel apparently from being involved in a knife vs rifle fight - and a couple of fang marks and claw marks in the stock that looked to me the right size for leopard. Wish I knew the stories!

Very nice bear!

What Whelen? All I see is steak! Rifle looks well balanced.

Hookeye, that's a cool looking TC! Probably between a 357 Max and 358 WCF in performance? Are you running 200s?

I'd love to get one of those in a Contender rifle with a 24" barrel.


Man, what a gorgeous bear and setting! That looks like one of those "Hunts of a Lifetime" things.

Always had a thing for 35s. Over the years I've hunted with various Marlins in 35 rem, a couple of Marlin 356s, a Savage 99 .358 Brush gun, Remington 660 350 mag, Commercial FN 98 35 Whelen,

Currently I have a Savage 170 pump 35 rem

A 9x57 built on a small ring Mexican 98:



and My most recent acquisition: Westernfield Sako L57 re-bored by Jess to .358 win:

Your Sako is a beauty weagle...

Wow! Until I read this thread I had never heard of 35cal rifles. Yank, yank, yank

I have owned no less than six rifles chambered in 357 Maximum, three in 35 Rem, three in 358 Win, and three in 35 Whelen.

Currently I have a H&R Handi rifle that was rechambered by a drill bit (best guess). It shot subsonic loads (220gr LHP at 920fps) extremely well and everything else resembled a pattern. Last month I cleaned the chamber with a PT&G 357 Max rifle reamer and now it shoots everything well enough to sell another 357 Max rifle that was dedicated to jacketed bullets.

My last 35 Rem was a semi-custom Rem Model 7 that JES rebored a donor 223 barrel and assembled. The next 35 Rem is being built as a Win M70 FW by Wayne York.

My current 358 Win is a Win M70 EW that was rebored from 308 by JES. It shoots extremely well with TAC and just about every bullet I load.

My current 35 Whelen is Win M70 rebored by JES. It's a Super Shadow bedded into an EW stock.

Redneck (Lee C.) has been trying to convince me to buy his 358 STA but it's built on a Remington. I'm not sure how my Winnies would accept an outsider into the safe. My M7 had some unexplained "safe dings" lol

I feel as though my bases are covered. I typically assessmy hunting situation and grab the right tool for the job.

But, alas, I am also afflicted with a love for 6.5cal rifles too.

Thanks, Dinny

In order as mentioned above minus the 35 Rem. It's still being built.

Another .358 caliber fan here. I've owned several whelens and Norma mags over the years, as well as a couple of 350 rem mags.

Sadly down to one now. Remington classic 350 Rem mag, had the barrel cut to 20" and sights reinstalled. Wears a Leupold Ultralight 2-7. And likes 225 SGK's over a stiff charge of RL15. Killed a handful of deer and 4 elk with it so far. Everything I shoot hits the ground right now, even lung shots. Closest kill was a 5 point bull at 30 feet in a brush hole.

The 350 gets taken out once in a while, but I grab my JES rebored 338-06 shooting 210 Partitions more often than not.

I'm really tickled at the couple of 9x57 Mausers that have jumped in here to compete for the Looney King award against the 35 Newton.

I'm a 35 fan too. Here is Fall of 2020 with the Savage 99 .358 Win:

And Fall of 2019 with a Mauser 35 Whelen AI:

Pic of the rifle attached.
I also have a great old pre-micro-groove Marlin 336A in 35 Rem with a 24" barrel. I've never hunted it but plan to take it to Montana for a deer B-Tag in a couple years.

Cheers,
Rex

Wow those are some sharp looking rifles

TRexF16,

Nice work with those 35s!

Wow, indeed nice rifles and harvest pics! Good work folks.

I got my first 35 when I was in my early 20's, somewhere around 1991. I bought a Remington BDL 35 Whelen. I always liked oddball cartridges compared to what everyone else was shooting so I bought one. I worked for a wholesale sporting goods company as a salesman on the road. I had read about it in one of the outdoor magazines and figured I'd get one.

I only shot 200gr Remington Core-lokts out of it and it would put 3 in a little .600 cloverleaf at 100 yds. It was very accurate for that large a calvert and I knew I had to hunt with it. I had a 1.5-5 Burris scope with a dot in it and started carrying it over everything else I had in the gun cabinet.

I remember my first kills with it. We were doing a deer drive and deer started coming right towards me in a field about 100yds away. The first one I hit flipped on a frontal cheat shot and the second stopped broadside. I punched her behind the shoulder and down she went. As the hunting group gathered around my deer in the field, my Great Uncle said " I've never seen anything like it and he's hogging all the deer" lol. He was watching from an ajoining field.

I killed probably 20 or so more deer from 15yds to about 225-250yds. I only had one deer run and to this day I don't know how. It broke both shoulders at about 225 yds and literally devasted everything up front.

As the years went on I found an older Marlin 35 and bought a Ruger Hawkeye All-Weather 358. I never got a chance to shoot anything with those and through a divorce, lost all but a few guns. I wish I still had the Whelen.

All that being said and after the divorce I went another route. I built a 338-06 and a Ruger Hawkeye All-Weather 338 Federal. I caught the end of Nosler producing the 180gr. .338 ballistic tips and loaded those in the 338-06. I killed my best 6 pointer to date on my first hunt with it and it was a broadside 50 yd shot. It hit right behind the shoulder and punched a 50 cent piece hole out the other side. The lungs were jelly and it even blew up the too of the heart. The deer went about 30yds and piled up. The devastation inside to the vitals was pretty perfect.

Any of the 35's would have probably given me the same outcome, but the added speed and bullet choices turned me to the .338's. They have a shock value on deer sized game and the 358 at certain speeds pack more. They are both great where I hunt.

The difference I think is this and a lot of people on this board will agree I think. If you aren't reading, reloading, shooting, working in the gun sales field....Your going to be shooting a 243, 270, 308, 30-06, because dad hunted with one, grandad had a 270 that he killed everything with, all my buddies hunt with a 7mm mag..etc. The manufacturers make what sells numbers and makes them the most money. That being said the 30-30 in my lifetime probably still accounts for more game taken in the lower 48 than any other. I personally have never killed with one. My Great Uncle moved the the lumber yards when he was about 18 in Saskatchewan and killed a documented 50+ moose and 25+ Grizzlies using a 30-30 a long time ago.

I still have one 358, one 35 Remington and two 350 RM's.

The 358 and 350 are good for 300 yards, easily (maybe 350). The 35 Remington, is a 336 and has metallic sights. I'd limit that one to two hundred yards. I think that my 600 350 RM is the optimum rifle for the dog tree pine and occasional openings for elk and smaller creatures.

All are very effective cartridges, IMHO.

I like my M77 rebore cut at 20”. I carried it elk hunting some this season but couldn’t connect the dots on the days I had it.



Hunting coons in grizzly country it is nice being able to load 250s for flailing around in the dark/brush and then slip in a 158 cast loaded light with trail boss for dispatch work.

A couple Remingtons in 350 Mag. I have only shot one mule deer with 350 mag model 660. Handload with 150 grain core-loct. Did alot of damage,!!

Have 3 boxes 150 total old Speer 250 Gr FS great bullet in the 35 Whelen. PM me going on classified tomorrow.

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