I think that a gun tax like you’re laying out will be the first step towards Balkanization. There’s a few states that will tell the Feds to stick their tax and shortly thereafter, a whole bunch of people will move to that state for their position on gun ownership. Other states will see this and join the party. No man wins alone. Have to join up with Like minded people to not get squashed by the government.
I think that a gun tax like you’re laying out will be the first step towards Balkanization. There’s a few states that will tell the Feds to stick their tax and shortly thereafter, a whole bunch of people will move to that state for their position on gun ownership. Other states will see this and join the party. No man wins alone. Have to join up with Like minded people to not get squashed by the government.
States don’t control what the Treasury and the IRS do or what they mandate. Period .
Refuse to do your federal taxes and see what happens. Refuse to complete the tax form and see what happens. Lie on your tax form and see what happens.
They already have databases full of info on who owns what.
Get caught in a traffic stop with an unclaimed gun and see what happens.
Get caught in a traffic stop in MANY states right now and with a gun in your possession and see what happens.
The government has the right to tax and with millions upon millions of guns out in the public domain,,,,do the math.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
In a militia the leaders will rise. Natural leadership ability and experience will be the factors.
You are right on. If ever there was a textbook case of this, the Boer war clearly makes your case, a bunch of farmers with elected leaders jerked the chain of the British Empire for 2 1/2 years.
1st Boer war they didn't look to ordinary farmers with natural ability for leadership, Kruger who was part of the triumvirate had military exp. starting from his teens in the Dutch colony... He was a veldkornet, which was recognized (even by the British) as an official military officer appointment... Such positions also had official police and judicial powers in the community and they also commanded local militia forces when not at war.
One can speculate about his natural ability, but he was elected leader of the Boer in the fight against the British largely based on his official mil. rank / prior experience in such role.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
None of that matters. None of it. No right to bear will be infringed upon.
Congress has the power to tax.
You like your firearms, you can keep your firearms. End of story. You like your ammo, you can keep your ammo. End of story. Remember Obamacare and the scotus ruling?
Now. Pay attention.
On your future Treasury,IRS tax forms there will be questions concerning:
How many firearms do you own? How many are long guns ? How many are hand guns?
Your total = 15 of each. Your Firearms Tax bill is: 200$/handgun = 3000$ 100$/long gun = 1500$ Total Firearms Tax due = 4500$
If you elect the Firearms buyback plan please check this box
How many total for buyback? How many handguns for buyback? How many long guns for buyback? You are credited for X$ to be deducted from your Firearms Tax Amount Due.
Lying to the IRS can have major penalties imposed. If Al Capone were still alive he could verify that,
This is how my people tell me that it will all come down and will eliminate any major confrontations as well as unnecessary bloodshed.
You can go ahead now and make your plans accordingly. It’s coming.
That should make everyone feel better and give sighs of relief to know that no one will be breaking your doors in for physical confiscation.
Courtesy of, and The Tootster
Take a read on how well tax declarations worked for The Feds during the Whiskey Rebellion. Confiscation and taxation only work with a willing populace.If you are willing to hand your guns over,you deserve what you get.
I agree, Huntz but then and now are two different worlds.
They won’t have to confiscate, they’ll just gradually but steadily tax folks out of them.
England, Australia and New Zealand are the examples of the direct head on give’em up approach. Too many wildcards in the USA- presently - for that. But later down the road ?
England,Australia,New Zealand live under a Monarchy.They did not rebel against their masters.We did and won.We are not the same as them and would not stand for tyranny then or now.We are a wildcard that lefties do not know how to deal with.They think they can subjagate us by fear,but we are different then the rest of the World.Yes there are those who will fold with out any resistance,but enough will survive and make hell for those who wish to dominate,that they will abandon their ideas and fold like most who wish to be Dictators do.Our strength is in being a melting pot of nationalities that mostly fled persecution from where they came from and will not submit to it again.United We Stand and don`t forget it.
Its all right to be white!! Stupidity left unattended will run rampant Don't argue with stupid people, They will drag you down to their level and then win by experience
None of that matters. None of it. No right to bear will be infringed upon.
Congress has the power to tax.
You like your firearms, you can keep your firearms. End of story. You like your ammo, you can keep your ammo. End of story. Remember Obamacare and the scotus ruling?
Now. Pay attention.
On your future Treasury,IRS tax forms there will be questions concerning:
How many firearms do you own? How many are long guns ? How many are hand guns?
Your total = 15 of each. Your Firearms Tax bill is: 200$/handgun = 3000$ 100$/long gun = 1500$ Total Firearms Tax due = 4500$
If you elect the Firearms buyback plan please check this box
How many total for buyback? How many handguns for buyback? How many long guns for buyback? You are credited for X$ to be deducted from your Firearms Tax Amount Due.
Lying to the IRS can have major penalties imposed. If Al Capone were still alive he could verify that,
This is how my people tell me that it will all come down and will eliminate any major confrontations as well as unnecessary bloodshed.
You can go ahead now and make your plans accordingly. It’s coming.
That should make everyone feel better and give sighs of relief to know that no one will be breaking your doors in for physical confiscation.
Courtesy of, and The Tootster
Take a read on how well tax declarations worked for The Feds during the Whiskey Rebellion. Confiscation and taxation only work with a willing populace.If you are willing to hand your guns over,you deserve what you get.
I agree, Huntz but then and now are two different worlds.
They won’t have to confiscate, they’ll just gradually but steadily tax folks out of them.
England, Australia and New Zealand are the examples of the direct head on give’em up approach. Too many wildcards in the USA- presently - for that. But later down the road ?
England,Australia,New Zealand live under a Monarchy.They did not rebel against their masters.We did and won.We are not the same as them and would not stand for tyranny then or now.We are a wildcard that lefties do not know how to deal with.They think they can subjagate us by fear,but we are different then the rest of the World.Yes there are those who will fold with out any resistance,but enough will survive and make hell for those who wish to dominate,that they will abandon their ideas and fold like most who wish to be Dictators do.Our strength is in being a melting pot of nationalities that mostly fled persecution from where they came from and will not submit to it again.United We Stand and don`t forget it.
Nice lecture but 50% or so of our populace disagrees and if it shows up on your tax form, Huntz,,,what are you prepared to do ?
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
Get caught in a traffic stop in MANY states right now and with a gun in your possession and see what happens.
What states would those be ? I was stopped by state troopers here just a few years ago with a rifle right next to me stuck muzzle down between the split bench seats. Trooper never said a word about it until after he checked my license and registration. Then he asked if I'd had any luck hunting. We chatted a bit about that and I was on my way. He never said a thing about the rifle, though it was in plain sight the whole time.
Laws? We don't need no stinking laws! We'll take em anyway.
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Guerrilla warfare
Nope, just a bunch of do nothing old guys bitchin on the interweb. Just take a look at fireballz. He sat at home tending his rose bushes while Portland was on fire.
Nuttin will happen except more boomers ded of old age.
Fireballz isn't in prison right now with his family dying from lack of support.
Not that you care.
Why would you respond to this little Biotch? If he's such a big man he can put his real name and address on here; but he won't cuz he's a little biotch.
[quote=Old_Toot]None of that matters. None of it. No right to bear will be infringed upon.
Congress has the power to tax.
You like your firearms, you can keep your firearms. End of story. You like your ammo, you can keep your ammo. End of story. Remember Obamacare and the scotus ruling?
Now. Pay attention.
On your future Treasury,IRS tax forms there will be questions concerning:
How many firearms do you own? How many are long guns ? How many are hand guns?
Your total = 15 of each. Your Firearms Tax bill is: 200$/handgun = 3000$ 100$/long gun = 1500$ Total Firearms Tax due = 4500$
If you elect the Firearms buyback plan please check this box
How many total for buyback? How many handguns for buyback? How many long guns for buyback? You are credited for X$ to be deducted from your Firearms Tax Amount Due.
Lying to the IRS can have major penalties imposed. If Al Capone were still alive he could verify that,
This is how my people tell me that it will all come down and will eliminate any major confrontations as well as unnecessary bloodshed.
You can go ahead now and make your plans accordingly. It’s coming.
That should make everyone feel better and give sighs of relief to know that no one will be breaking your doors in for physical confiscation.
One old definition I saw of the term "militia" said any able-bodied male over the age of fourteen. I believe it was in the Federalist Papers, but may have been in other writings of the period.
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
I’ve been wondering what the prefatory phrase in 2A that says, “A well Regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,” means to people. I interpret it to be just an introduction to, “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” and does not refer to the operation of any militia, government sponsored or otherwise.
Have at it.
Where I live back before the civil war just about every parish had a militia. The Tirailleurs was the name of the one in my parish. They were "back up" for the lawmen and such in case of a slave revolt or something. When civil war came most of the militia enlisted and saw battle. My great , great grandpa was one of the Tirailleurs ( sharpshooter , rifleman , skirmisher. He was wounded but survived.
Militia has for some millenia referred to an 'armed private force'.
Early Rome for centuries used its militia citizens (and militia of its allies) for war, coz there was no standing Roman army in existence,.{ ie; you went to war with your own arms and equipment , then you went home to your normal citizen life, until you were required for the next conflict} . - British empire employed its militia force subjects in various conflicts...{ ie; in the British colonies militia settlers would come out and support British garrison servicemen either locally or in distance foreign lands.} and be commanded by British officers.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
Laws? We don't need no stinking laws! We'll take em anyway.
Originally Posted by Jim1611
Guerrilla warfare
Nope, just a bunch of do nothing old guys bitchin on the interweb. Just take a look at fireballz. He sat at home tending his rose bushes while Portland was on fire.
Nuttin will happen except more boomers ded of old age.
That's a pretty broad statement to make about someone you will never know. Or are you projecting your own actions on the rest of us? Some of us here have the line in the sand drawn and it has not been crossed. Not because we're cowards but because we are trusting in our Constitution. The Founders did the same with the Brits. They tried every means possible to assure freedom other than bloodshed because they knew too well the high price with that. We believe in what they did and how they did it. That's why smart people aren't out there shooting right now. We know history and heard when Jefferson said that those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. Someday we may have to take up arms and fight but it's not today. God help us to pick that day wisely.
Get caught in a traffic stop in MANY states right now and with a gun in your possession and see what happens.
What states would those be ? I was stopped by state troopers here just a few years ago with a rifle right next to me stuck muzzle down between the split bench seats. Trooper never said a word about it until after he checked my license and registration. Then he asked if I'd had any luck hunting. We chatted a bit about that and I was on my way. He never said a thing about the rifle, though it was in plain sight the whole time.
How about a handgun? How an cross into New Jersey?
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
Well regulated means organized and an effective, cohesive unit. Used to be ladies and gentlemen were said to have a well-regulated constitution, that meant healthy.
Up hills slow, Down hills fast Tonnage first and Safety last.
[quote=Old_Toot]None of that matters. None of it. No right to bear will be infringed upon.
Congress has the power to tax.
You like your firearms, you can keep your firearms. End of story. You like your ammo, you can keep your ammo. End of story. Remember Obamacare and the scotus ruling?
Now. Pay attention.
On your future Treasury,IRS tax forms there will be questions concerning:
How many firearms do you own? How many are long guns ? How many are hand guns?
Your total = 15 of each. Your Firearms Tax bill is: 200$/handgun = 3000$ 100$/long gun = 1500$ Total Firearms Tax due = 4500$
If you elect the Firearms buyback plan please check this box
How many total for buyback? How many handguns for buyback? How many long guns for buyback? You are credited for X$ to be deducted from your Firearms Tax Amount Due.
Lying to the IRS can have major penalties imposed. If Al Capone were still alive he could verify that,
This is how my people tell me that it will all come down and will eliminate any major confrontations as well as unnecessary bloodshed.
You can go ahead now and make your plans accordingly. It’s coming.
That should make everyone feel better and give sighs of relief to know that no one will be breaking your doors in for physical confiscation.
Courtesy of, The Tootster [/quo
Your a [bleep] stirring turd! GFY
Close your eyes, click your heels together 3 times and repeat as necessary “I wish I was home “.
That way you won’t have to think about it and it’ll all go away when you reopen your eyes.
But you’ll still owe Uncle Sam a pile of money and that ain Going away.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
A per gun tax will not survive a Supreme Court challenge. This type of tax is easily distinguishable from the Obamacare tax. In the Obamacare opinion the court relied on the fact that the tax was income based and also small in comparison to the cost of insurance or healthcare and therefore not a penalty. Healthcare also isn’t a constitutional right. The conservative justices have more than enough room to distinguish the two.
Well regulated means organized and an effective, cohesive unit. Used to be ladies and gentlemen were said to have a well-regulated constitution, that meant healthy.
Well regulated = reasonable level proficiency/ so as to be in an effective shape to fight.
Before societies had regular standing armies proficiency of militia forces improved /evolved as experience was gained through armed conflicts - resulting in some very effective paramilitary.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
