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Not familiar with SOL products but here’s one bid less than 600 with 22 hours left
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/887218501

The main problem is everyone expects a sub MOA ar15 for under $500. Barrel technology has improved 10 fold in the last 20 years. BCA will sometimes meet the less than 1MOA warranty. But sometimes they are extremely under that 1 MOA. bUT MOST HAVE BEEN IN THE 1.5-2.5 MOA level. Heck, our own gov't has a 4 MOA mark that it has to meet. But you don't see any of the haiters on this board saying anything bad about Colt, HK, FN do you.

The main problem is everyone puts too much importance in a sub MOA gun and not enough in the workings of the gun.

Exactly. I'd take a 2MOF (Minute Of Felon) gun that's utterly dependable where the parts live their expected life than a finicky sub-MOA gun. I don't have my AR for benchresting or long range varminting, I have it for defending myself using field rest positions.
ETA--some of the big-azz scopes people mount on their AR's to get those minute groups are actually not the right optics for my purposes.

I'll take both. A sub moa gun and one that works 100% all the time. All of my AR15's fit that bill, except for my highest dollar AR (Noveske). It shoots a hair over moa with irons.. Besides, we know there are damn few guys that actually have/own solid sub moa AR rifles. There were only 8 guys that have proven that fact in the black rifle challenge here.

What’s the black rifle challenge?

It was a competition of sorts that war eagle started. The targets were supplied you just had to print them. You had too shoot 2-10 shot groups. At first several guys tried including deflave and Lawrence went all in on it. He Pretty much calls everyone out when they say they have a MOA rifle. If you haven’t posted targets to the moa challenge and say you have a moa rifle of lord watch out because Ol BSA is coming in hot. I submitted targets but not for record or anything. I can say my AR is not an MOA rifle it’s right outside the MOA. But I also shoot 600yd NRA matches in the summer, my scores from those were good enough to get me to expert and my daughter who shoots as well and her classification is master. She has never shot the MOA challenge.

where is that sarcasm key?

That's the way an AR was meant to be shot.

Who does? I could have missed it (pun 4U), but, don't recall anyone ever posting such here.

i don't expect a sub-MOA AR because if the SHTF, I'll be using M193 & 855.

I’ll be using MK 318 and MK 262.

M193 and M855 is for practice.

It depends on where you live. I live in the suburbs. I don't plan on any 300+yd shots. If I'm that far away from some targets, they don't even know that I exist, so why call attention to myself. In a SHTF situation, the fewer gun battles you get in, the better. I'm well familiar with longer range shooting since one year in the NTIT, I had 20 hits at 500yds. Not great, but not bad.

Mk 318 and 262 are not just for long range. Hint.

That brings up an interesting point about accuracy. If you’re never going to shoot precision ammo, does it do you any good to evaluate your accuracy with precision ammo?

In my case I’ve only got three kinds of ammo on hand, and one batch (69grain GMM) is up for sale. I don’t have enough of it to be useful long term and I’m not going to buy more of it. So really it makes sense to me to just figure out how accurate I can be with my two types of ammo (FMJ and expanding), then just be content with whatever it’ll do.

It also has better stopping power when you aren't allowed to use real expanding bullets. Being a civilian, I can use something like Federal Fusion. Hint.
If 193 doesn't stop somebody, you shoot them again.

I'm not sure jacketed, gloved, and strapped is the way an AR was meant to be shot.
But it is a fun game.

Correct. But it gives you a better idea how you can shoot from field positions than benchresting all the time. And person who wears a glove and jacket can shoot awfulhand without a glove a jacket better than someone who always shoots from the bench, as an example.

Wasn't this how they were meant to be shot?

I shoot the AR tactical class, as well as service rifle..