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Challenge accepted. Though I think we've had this same conversation before. This forum is like groundhogs day.

Here's a great example:
covid vaccine

In this he suggests the vaccine "isn't as effective as we thought" based on one person contracting the virus a week after the first dose. No one claims that a person is protected then, and he gives lip service to that in the last paragraph, but only after a click-bait headline and a clearly false statement about vaccine efficacy.

I recommend you look at each of these articles and ask "what is the purpose of this story?" Then replace "purpose" in that question with "agenda.". For this it's clearly to cast unfounded doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccine.

All sources should be vetted. Remember 4 years of Russia! Russia! Russia!, Steele dossier, and all of the other BS that the leftist CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBA, and others threw our way? They were 'reputable' sources, according to the slow.

I think Western scientists were working with the Chinese to develop it. I don't think that's actually even denied, even if not widely reported. What is denied is that it was intentionally released, or at least that Western scientists (meaning their bosses in Western governments) had anything to do with its intentional release. Not sure what to believe, but wouldn't put it past the Western deep state to be involved in such.

I'm not scared of it. The only two nurses I asked said no,
they would not take it.

100 percent agree with this.

My caution is that just because a source disagrees with a biased narrative, does not mean that it's implicitly free of bias. Plenty of agenda-driven reporting on both sides.

That's not the pattern for viruses of the past, prior to vaccination science. They would typically be a plague for a year or two, then disappear once enough people had developed a natural immunity to it. The human race (if we include our more primitive forms) has been repeating that pattern for millions of years.

Yeah, not so much government, but western scientists involved with government.
But it boils down to the same damn thing, which is this, in a nutshell.
Government bombards the population with all kinds of threats to life and civilization.
(Climate change, rising seas, global pandemics, and pretty soon gun violence) what’d I miss?
The same government offers itself as the salvation from these same problems.
All that’s required of me is give up some more of my freedom and some more of my money.
Is anybody else starting to detect a pattern here?
7mm

I absolutely refuse to participate in the scamdemic.

That's the reason I said foreseeable future. If left to nature the virus eventually will go away. We have technology that can reduce that time period and keep people from dying that otherwise would die while we wait for the virus to burn itself out, I say use it.

That's separate from the lockdowns. I'm on record as thinking the lockdowns are BS and doing much more harm than necessary. That being said, the terrified rabbits that are the American people today aren't going to come out of their holes and go back to work until the virus is under control. Waiting for the virus to go away naturally will mean at least another year of destroyed businesses and destroyed lives. The destruction to our economy could reach the point where the people of the U.S. vote in Bernie Sanders style communism. Historically communism has gained a foothold only when a nation's economy is completely in the crapper, people feel like they have nothing to lose so they vote in the guy that's promising them the moon for free. Look at how FDR ushered in socialism during the great depression, he couldn't have done that with a healthy economy and we're still stuck with that garbage almost a century later.

It's always a trade off. I'm a lot more scared of the damage being done to our country than I am of the vaccine. If we wait for this virus to burn itself out then we might not have a country to reopen when it happens. The virus already is responsible for the defeat of the best president in modern times and soon to be installation of a Chinese puppet. Imagine if we'd had mass vaccination and the virus was under control by election day, Trump would have been re-elected by such a wide margin the democrats couldn't have stolen the election.

My issue with the entire COVID situation is that there's been so much misinformation going in so many different directions.

It also makes me *very* suspicious that social media has been censoring any discussion of it.

There's definitely a political agenda attached to the virus. I don't know what the agenda is. But there's way too many questions out there for me to allow an untested, fast tracked, experimental vaccine to be injected into me.

My daughter in law is a RN and I asked her if she is getting the shot. She say's "probably not" due to the possibility of the shot affecting her reproductive system. She and my son have two kids now but decided that they might not be done yet. Nobody at the hospital is telling her it is mandatory!
But for me, I think my age group will have the vaccine/shots available in Feb. some time. My age group will be 75 and if I don't see people dropping after their second shot,
I will definitely get in line! That is if I don't get the Chink flu before then.

I will be sure to keep you guys posted on my progress-----or?

I get my second shot of the Pfizer covid 19 vaccine on 1-8. I had Covid patient yesterday and was wishing I already was given the second shot. Dying of any flu is not pretty and not an easy way to go. I have seen too much of it.

Little off topic, but, a little advice: look daily at your hospital's covid page. Look at the number of cases. Number recovered. Number NOT needing hospital care, let alone ICU.

I track that [bleep] daily, because if I don't, I forget that I'm seeing the small, unlucky percentage, and I forget that the vast, vast majority of our patients don't even get admitted to the hospital. I start thinking the 50+% death rate of vented covid-19 patients is the norm, when it's far from it.

We get covid-19 emails daily, and it's helped me a lot to look at the data so everything stays in context.

Covid-19 is like getting a Whipple done. Most go great, but if you're in the ICU and only seeing the ones that go bad, well, they go really, REALLY bad......

Understood. I am glad I am getting the vaccine. Reduces my chances even further from contacting and/ or dying from Covid. Not a bad thing.

Take it, Goathead and enjoy your life with your wife. Some things are far more important than the emoji'd opinion of keyboard cowboys at this forum.
I may or may not take it, wife took it Wednesday as an assisted-living health care worker.

I do believe the zombie juice would have kept us from losing a very dear friend in October, but he's history now, just ask his wife.

+1.

I was being sincere.

If taking it allows you to see your wife I wouldn't understand NOT taking it. I would have been knocking co-workers over to get ahead in the line if it meant the difference between time with my wife or her sitting alone in a home.

I apologize if my smiley was taken as me being a dick. I literally meant the "happy" part, not haha.

Are you aware of statistics that aren't being published by the CDC?

I've known a few people who have had COVID. The latest was a woman friend in her mid 40s. She tested positive and started getting ill but her Doctor told her to stay home unless it started affecting her breathing. She said she felt fairly bad but never felt so bad that she needed to go to the hospital.

Another is a man about 40. He said it affected his ability to taste and smell, but he never felt particularly sick,..said he had a runny nose for a few days.

I thought the same when trying to extract someone from an overturned vehicle. No more driving for me.