https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-care-workers-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/

I’ve pretty much been working in the epicenter of covid MI since it broke out. Knock on wood i haven’t had anything worse than what i would call a bad cold or mild flu in the last year. I don’t plan on getting vaccinated.

We (county I work in) at one time had the “highest infection/transmission rate” per capita in the country. Amazing how we never saw it working the streets or being in and out of the local hospitals....

Won’t be any shots being had here either.

Lots of illegal immigrants are refusing it too.

Well, if you've worked with covid-19 patients since March and are still around and healthy, maybe you should just keep doing what you have been doing instead of being a guinea pig.......

How many times do people need to show that the gateway pundit is garbage before people stop linking to it like it's the unvarnished truth? Can you not see the agenda behind the stories there?

"Frontline healthcare workers" is a very broad group and includes everyone from CNAs to physicians. Nursing home attendants are not the the most highly trained or educated of "frontline workers." That's not a slight toward them at all. It's the reality of the qualifications for that job. Large numbers of them refusing the vaccine (if that is infact a national trend, which the article doesn't support), is proof that all these wildly unfounded rumors are having an effect, which is unfortunate.

There is no secret information being spread to healthcare workers that the rest of the public can't see. The data is freely available for anyone to look at

To the point.

Good --- less in line before me. If taking this vaccine lets me go back and take my wife out of the nursing home for our daily 1 hour long car ride like we use too, then I will try to be at the head of the line.....

Why would they be surprised that 60% are refusing a revolutionary approach to vaccination that was rushed to market without going through the usual course of testing??

I try to avoid watching news in general, and evening news in particular, but with winter in PA, I do pay attention to local weather, and that makes avoiding news nearly impossible.
The local news is pretty dedicated to telling me how bad the Covid is, and the evening news makes it sound like “WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!”
Now considering a few things things,
1 the government and the news are controlled by the same people.
2 the government has been using the virus as an excuse to control people.
3 the government and the news are constantly finding newer and bigger threats from the virus.
4 I’m decidedly paranoid when it comes to government control.
I’m beginning to believe that the government has developed and introduced this virus, and even though we know very little about the vaccine, the government will eventually require proof of vaccination for health care workers, and eventually, everybody else.
Kinda funny to me that the same few folks who are offering the cure seems to be the same people who are telling me how deadly the virus is.
7mm

They offered it to some of the nurses at the hospital where my wife works,...sent an e-mail. They have a limited number of vaccines so they asked that you make the decision as soon as possible so someone else could have your vaccine if you didn't want it. I don't have the numbers. But there's a lot of discussion and it seems like a lot of the nurses are hesitant to be in the first wave.

I don't know how it is elsewhere.

Exactly. Just like you said in the other thread. Not fond of first year model cars or vacs.

Mrs slumlord isn’t taking it


But she’ll take 20 different vitamins from Dr Youtube and Pastor Flaming Asshòle from Macedonia


Says she takes zinc, doesn’t want it

The voice of reason, well done.

I was for it till my wife started showing me stuff about the vac. I'm good to wait it out.

Let’s expand on this shall we.
Show us, show us links from TGWP that have been proven to be false.

Oh and before you tackle this, remember the stories you call bunk are laced with links from other sources, many from your beloved CDC and CNN.

READY SET GO...

I will never take it, I don’t even take the so called flu vaccine, I’ll keep doing what I have been doing for 64 years and rely on good old Heard Immunity.

A friend of mine is a physical therapist at a nursing home in west alabama. This nursing home is currently in the middle of an outbreak, a bunch of the residents are infected. She said all but one worker there is refusing to take the vaccine, including her.

Nothing is risk free but I think the hysteria over this vaccine is overblown. If significant number of people don't get vaccinated then this crap is just going to go on for the foreseeable future, more lockdowns and more people out of work. I'm not in a high priority category so they won't get to me for a while, plus I've already had Covid so I should have some immunity. If the vaccine was offered to me I'd take it though, it doesn't concern me. I got injected with all kinds of stuff in the military that I'm sure was way worse.

I believe the election was stolen and Epstein didn't hang himself, but I'm not buying the conspiracy stuff about the vaccine.

I will take the dose that anyone in front of me doesn't want.

Yup. It sounds like you are in a group that should get it ASAP.

Challenge accepted. Though I think we've had this same conversation before. This forum is like groundhogs day.

Here's a great example:
covid vaccine

In this he suggests the vaccine "isn't as effective as we thought" based on one person contracting the virus a week after the first dose. No one claims that a person is protected then, and he gives lip service to that in the last paragraph, but only after a click-bait headline and a clearly false statement about vaccine efficacy.

I recommend you look at each of these articles and ask "what is the purpose of this story?" Then replace "purpose" in that question with "agenda.". For this it's clearly to cast unfounded doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccine.

All sources should be vetted. Remember 4 years of Russia! Russia! Russia!, Steele dossier, and all of the other BS that the leftist CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBA, and others threw our way? They were 'reputable' sources, according to the slow.

I think Western scientists were working with the Chinese to develop it. I don't think that's actually even denied, even if not widely reported. What is denied is that it was intentionally released, or at least that Western scientists (meaning their bosses in Western governments) had anything to do with its intentional release. Not sure what to believe, but wouldn't put it past the Western deep state to be involved in such.

I'm not scared of it. The only two nurses I asked said no,
they would not take it.

100 percent agree with this.

My caution is that just because a source disagrees with a biased narrative, does not mean that it's implicitly free of bias. Plenty of agenda-driven reporting on both sides.

That's not the pattern for viruses of the past, prior to vaccination science. They would typically be a plague for a year or two, then disappear once enough people had developed a natural immunity to it. The human race (if we include our more primitive forms) has been repeating that pattern for millions of years.

Yeah, not so much government, but western scientists involved with government.
But it boils down to the same damn thing, which is this, in a nutshell.
Government bombards the population with all kinds of threats to life and civilization.
(Climate change, rising seas, global pandemics, and pretty soon gun violence) what’d I miss?
The same government offers itself as the salvation from these same problems.
All that’s required of me is give up some more of my freedom and some more of my money.
Is anybody else starting to detect a pattern here?
7mm

I absolutely refuse to participate in the scamdemic.

That's the reason I said foreseeable future. If left to nature the virus eventually will go away. We have technology that can reduce that time period and keep people from dying that otherwise would die while we wait for the virus to burn itself out, I say use it.

That's separate from the lockdowns. I'm on record as thinking the lockdowns are BS and doing much more harm than necessary. That being said, the terrified rabbits that are the American people today aren't going to come out of their holes and go back to work until the virus is under control. Waiting for the virus to go away naturally will mean at least another year of destroyed businesses and destroyed lives. The destruction to our economy could reach the point where the people of the U.S. vote in Bernie Sanders style communism. Historically communism has gained a foothold only when a nation's economy is completely in the crapper, people feel like they have nothing to lose so they vote in the guy that's promising them the moon for free. Look at how FDR ushered in socialism during the great depression, he couldn't have done that with a healthy economy and we're still stuck with that garbage almost a century later.

It's always a trade off. I'm a lot more scared of the damage being done to our country than I am of the vaccine. If we wait for this virus to burn itself out then we might not have a country to reopen when it happens. The virus already is responsible for the defeat of the best president in modern times and soon to be installation of a Chinese puppet. Imagine if we'd had mass vaccination and the virus was under control by election day, Trump would have been re-elected by such a wide margin the democrats couldn't have stolen the election.

My issue with the entire COVID situation is that there's been so much misinformation going in so many different directions.

It also makes me *very* suspicious that social media has been censoring any discussion of it.

There's definitely a political agenda attached to the virus. I don't know what the agenda is. But there's way too many questions out there for me to allow an untested, fast tracked, experimental vaccine to be injected into me.

My daughter in law is a RN and I asked her if she is getting the shot. She say's "probably not" due to the possibility of the shot affecting her reproductive system. She and my son have two kids now but decided that they might not be done yet. Nobody at the hospital is telling her it is mandatory!
But for me, I think my age group will have the vaccine/shots available in Feb. some time. My age group will be 75 and if I don't see people dropping after their second shot,
I will definitely get in line! That is if I don't get the Chink flu before then.

I will be sure to keep you guys posted on my progress-----or?

I get my second shot of the Pfizer covid 19 vaccine on 1-8. I had Covid patient yesterday and was wishing I already was given the second shot. Dying of any flu is not pretty and not an easy way to go. I have seen too much of it.

Little off topic, but, a little advice: look daily at your hospital's covid page. Look at the number of cases. Number recovered. Number NOT needing hospital care, let alone ICU.

I track that [bleep] daily, because if I don't, I forget that I'm seeing the small, unlucky percentage, and I forget that the vast, vast majority of our patients don't even get admitted to the hospital. I start thinking the 50+% death rate of vented covid-19 patients is the norm, when it's far from it.

We get covid-19 emails daily, and it's helped me a lot to look at the data so everything stays in context.

Covid-19 is like getting a Whipple done. Most go great, but if you're in the ICU and only seeing the ones that go bad, well, they go really, REALLY bad......

Understood. I am glad I am getting the vaccine. Reduces my chances even further from contacting and/ or dying from Covid. Not a bad thing.

Take it, Goathead and enjoy your life with your wife. Some things are far more important than the emoji'd opinion of keyboard cowboys at this forum.
I may or may not take it, wife took it Wednesday as an assisted-living health care worker.

I do believe the zombie juice would have kept us from losing a very dear friend in October, but he's history now, just ask his wife.

+1.

I was being sincere.

If taking it allows you to see your wife I wouldn't understand NOT taking it. I would have been knocking co-workers over to get ahead in the line if it meant the difference between time with my wife or her sitting alone in a home.

I apologize if my smiley was taken as me being a dick. I literally meant the "happy" part, not haha.

Are you aware of statistics that aren't being published by the CDC?

I've known a few people who have had COVID. The latest was a woman friend in her mid 40s. She tested positive and started getting ill but her Doctor told her to stay home unless it started affecting her breathing. She said she felt fairly bad but never felt so bad that she needed to go to the hospital.

Another is a man about 40. He said it affected his ability to taste and smell, but he never felt particularly sick,..said he had a runny nose for a few days.

I thought the same when trying to extract someone from an overturned vehicle. No more driving for me.

There was a statistically significant reduction in infection rates of the vaccine group when compared to the control group. Granted, there's no way to control for random exposure, but 5-6 infections in the group that got the vaccine compared to 40-something (iirc, I don't have the trials in front of me, but we went over them at work) infections in the control group is promising.

That said, we are looking at a small sample size in a VERY compressed timeline.

frantic, frightened sheep not knowing what to do, or where to go for safety.

My wife and I might have had it right after the first shelter-at-home, wear a t-shirt-over-your-face orders were issued. I never went to the doctor or bothered with a follow-up visit to a doctor. We were not very sick at the time.

some folks who value only their earthly existence are terrified some virus will come along and take it away

No frighten or scared. Worked in close contact with many Covid patients. Never missed a day. Never refused an assignment. I am ex navy 8404. 20 years active. If I can improve my chances of not getting sick I will take it.

Apparently not, since you were working around them.

If a person is under 70 and has no comorbidity issues the COVID mortality rate is very, very low...on par with the common cold or influenza.

It were printed on the net it just hasta be true

Wifey’s an RN. She’s working the Emergency Room 3 or 4 nights every week, she tells me she’s probably exposed 3 or 4 times every night.
She’s also had pneumonia twice, so if she gets it, it may well be the end. I pray to God for her safety and protection.
Regardless, she’s not planning on getting the vaccine. She says that it contains ingredients harvested from aborted fetuses, which we both find abortion disgusting.
I can’t say. I ain’t done my homework on this. It’s hunting season and I work for a living.
I’m not here to fault anybody for locking themselves up or wearing a mask or getting a vaccine. If you’re worried about the virus, by all means protect yourself. Do whatever you think is gonna help you.
But don’t let your fear get you thinking that my personal liberty has to be sacrificed for your piece of mind. I believe the government needs to be reminded that the purpose of government is to serve the people, not to subjugate them.
7mm

Yes indeed. Albert Jay Nock had it figured out in 1935.

I had a friend undergo a Whipple and according to the docs it went well. I checked in on him several times in the hospital and even if it went well it looked like absolute hell. 12 yrs later he is still alive, it was some kind of pancreatic cancer. He was given 6 months if he didn't let them do it.

Fair enough, my bad.

I had it. I'm 52 and kind of fat, it wasn't any big deal for me, pretty much a mild cold.

I've also know about 20 others that have had it. Most of them were pretty mild like mine. A couple kind of had a rough time but recovered fine. Three died, the last one a couple of days ago. He was about 75 and pretty heavy set, his funeral is tomorrow. The other two were younger, one guy was 52-53 and in good shape, the other was a 38 year old woman with four kids and no prior health problems at all.

You pay your money and takes your chances.

are you a new troll or a retread, guessing the latter

Everyone makes their choices, and if I had any risk factors I would take it the second I could. But I'm just abcout the poster boy for low risk, no bad lifestyle habits, healthy weight, etc, etc. If it were actually possible to visit my mother in the old country, I would probably seriously consider it to reduce her risk -- but trying to get into (and back out of) Europe right now is a joke. So, I'll just sit here and wait and watch, take my Vit. C, D, Zinc, exercise, get a lot of sleep, and go on with life as much as the Gov Goobs will let me.....

Yes sir...absofuckinglutely.

The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) utilized to move the COVID vaccines forward, was necessary because the usual and customary vaccine prep time is years, not months.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, or so it's said. And, they may be right.

Now, they need time and a large cohort (test population) to fine tune their hypotheses. So, who do you think becomes the cohort? Yeah...

Over time, we'll know how well or even if this experiment worked. So, the usual years to develop a vaccine still holds, exept these new roll outs will be ultimately tested on us.

DF


Edited to add, almost forgot about the billions big pharma raked in over this past year. They gotta be licking their chops....

I'm fine with that as long as the vaccinations remain voluntary only with no penalties for opting out of being a beta-tester.

Thanks for enlightening me there Dr Magnum. Oddly enough though, I personally know of 2 under 70 that have died. Neither had other health issues. Another friends father is in the hospital now on a ventilator and not doing well at all. Have had 2 co-workers hospitalized, one in his mid 40's, other mid 50's. Thats 5 people that I personally know that have died or been seriously ill in just the past few months. I don't know anyone ever being hospitalized or dying from the common cold or the flu.

No, you were fine. I read your post, re-read mine, and, yeah, I came across like a douche.

I'm kinda glad you said something so I could clarify.

West Virginia was at the very bottom of the list in the nation last summer until........
........ until POTUS was VERY generous with our tax $ and slave labour of the future generations. He signed the biggest legislative steal in all of history. Talk about socialism. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not just fed up with the election scandals, but also the NEOcon RINO hypocrisy.
As a result of said hypocrisy and socialist THEFT, WV went from the lowest to the HIGHEST per capita literally overnight. The institutions now get $147,000.00++ per PATIENT!

This led to the evil incentive for hospitals to share nursing home patients to assure a higher death rate of innocent old folks, heart and diabetics. .....at the toon of $147,000++ per soul. Organized murder on a high scale thanks to DJT AND THE SWAMP.

God have mercy on the souls of all of those victims.

Mrs tzone is on the fence about being a test project on the first run. But will probably have to at some point.

We lost a wonderful young man this past week. Luke Letlow, Congressman elect from LA, to be sworn in next week. Got the 'Rona, was in the hospital in Monroe, then transfered to LSU teaching hospital in Shreveport, then in ICU, then in trouble. Reportedly he had an MI that was COVID related. The big, University Hospital in Shreveport is probaly as good a place as he could have been. So, I know he got state of the art care.

Covid can cause weird stuff, like an intense vasculitis and also clotting issues, which probably led to his fatal MI. And that's separate from the Cytokine storm that usually takes'em out at the end. So, you have light or even asymtomatic cases, then catestropic cases like this. Luke was 41, in the prime of his life, in great shape, leaves a wife and two young children. And, he was a staunch conservative. We can't afford to lose guys like him.

DF

Who do you think spread it everywhere?
Cleaning crews n packing plants. Me no halbla, tikki tok tok....no TP for bunghole.

OK...5 out of approximately 330,000,000 people in our country. You certainly have a great sample. I am not the one that came to that conclusion. It was the CDC.

I’d take it today if I could.

I'd nuke the fuggin Chinks if I could.

I sure as hell aint getting their vaccine for their fuggin man made germ...

You don’t sound very happy.

Our daughter in law is a pharmacist at our local hospital. She has PhD’s in both biology and pharmacy. She knows her stuff, and has no plans on taking the shot. I want to add that she is in no way a tin foil wearing conspiracy theorist about things such as this.

However she does have very strong feelings against this immunization because it entails altering our DNA for it to work. She doesn’t want that, especially since she may bless us with more grandchildren in the future. She explained it to me at a level I vaguely understood, referencing my old classes in genetics, biology and chemistry back in college.

In ten words or less they genetically alter “messenger RNA” and inject that, along with other things, into your bloodstream. That genetically altered mRNA then alters YOUR RNA/DNA to effectively combat covid. Sounds good, straight out of Star Trek right? The kicker is your DNA is altered forever.......you have children later on, their DNA is altered as well from the “original blueprint “ so to speak....and on and on if her children bear children in the future. She doesn’t like that idea at all, adding that we are, effectively, the guinea pigs for this.....we currently have no idea how it will turn out. Heavy stuff indeed and worth thinking about. Of course, I won’t be affected since I’m not making babies anymore, so it’s a moot point with me but not so for others.

Precisely.

If your daughter told you that, she should seek a refund for her PhD. Transcription/translation are one way streets. mRNA is copied from DNA, but the reverse does not occur. mRNA never even enters the nucleus of the cell. That's high school biology.

IT DOES NOT ALTER YOUR GENES!!

Also, viruses infect your cells by injecting them with their mRNA (assuming it's an mRNA virus). Why do people think that an mRNA vaccine alters their genes, but infection leading to "natural immunity" working in the same way does not?

The CDC says the mRNA from the vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell and does not affect or interact with a person’s DNA.

To be frank I am surprised the companies haven't put it in a lubricant solution so they can force it in anally.

Why?

If you are at risk or take care of someone at risk, the shot is probably a good idea. If not, you’re probably fine to wait. Probably.

I’m waiting. We’ve had few hospital employees actually catch it at work, and only one bad outcome, who had co morbidities. I don’t feel particularly at risk, even though the chance is there.

I wouldn’t take the flu shot if it wasn’t mandatory for work.

One of the guys I work with is early 40s, in good shape, no health problems known. Been on max oxygen in a hospital for 11 days. One of the unlucky ones. I am older,fatter, and not as good shape have had pneumonia more than once. I am taking the vaccine as soon as I can. My employer is probably going to require it anyway.

Reports that those that have taken the vaccine later tested positive, OHHHHH My God, Now What.

I haven't read all 8 pages but how many aren't getting the vaccine because they've already had Covid. They were one of the hardest hit groups when this first hit back in the Spring.

i'm all for old folks taking it if they want to, and young folks not taking it if they don't

Anyone who knows much about MRNA and DNA and how that system works is unlikely to be interested in the vaccine...

Bells palsy is also a known complication of covid infection. Not that it's likely to change your mind.

Let's just pretend I don't. Please explain it to me?

Wrong...

But in the interest of accuracy will you please obtain and post your DIL’s medical research that says the vaccine will alter recipients DNA.... Take your time

One year after the vaccine.

It can cure male pattern baldness also? Who would have thunk....

I will get the vaccine. Not because I am afraid or like being controlled. Because I care about my fellow man and don’t want to make others sick. I don’t want to contribute to the spread of the virus and potentially kill other people.

People need to grow up!

You need to stay the f~ck home, locked in your basement !

The long term cure or possible adverse events have yet to be seen...no reason to spread lies and gossip until then...but some can’t resist...

Some adverse events will most certainly happen....severity and frequency will decide the question ....they do with any drug... too much water can kill some also..

I'm sure you consulted your doctor and then your mom, whose basement you live in, before signing up to the Fire and posting that. What, exactly, did your mom say when you asked her?

Perfect!
It seems that plenty of us are more than willing to give you ‘our’ dose.
Enjoy.

Question, if you don't mind. It seems that having COVID gives you a few months of immunity - 5-7 is what I've heard recently. How does a vaccine extend that time frame?

Bull Schit

On ‘Ignore’ after one post. Well done, sir!

I resisted getting the flu vacinne for many years because of distrust and thought I'm in the low risk caregory anyway. Ended up changing my mind a few years ago since I'm getting older and probably getting less capable of fighting off an infection or might have a higher risk of complications - although my health is otherwise good.

I'll probably get a covid vacinne shot at some stage but will wait a year or two for it to be properly tested and proven. It may even be rolled up into the standard flu vacinne in time.

Saw a documentary on the Spanish flu and they never managed to develop a vaccine for it at the time but it did change to some extent and we did develop some level of immunity to it. Maybe our current covid survivors are generating the immunity for the future generations - I think that is Sweden's strategy.

Just like that our first new sock puppet dumbass for 2021. You’re an idiot! Oh and GFY...

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I can't say with certainty that it does. I don't think I'd take it if I'd recovered from covid. There are still a lot of unknowns about the vaccine. I'll be the first to admit that. But some of these statements are complete rumor-mill nonsense.

The journal of neurovirology says otherwise....

Here

LOL

No schit. I asked my sister the PhD in bio chem who does research at MIT and teaches some grad classes. She said she would not

Why not? What's her reasoning?

Sounds like the idiot Benquick’s new sock puppet

First post here and you needed to edit.

Saad!

the vax is like a right of passage for folks in the twilight of life, who may want to keep seeing the sunset

Next to come... no more swimming unless a life guard is on duty.

I have no idea why this is controversial.

Group #1 = If you're scared of the virus, go get the vaccine. Done... you're now protected.

Group #2 = If you don't want the vaccine, for whatever reason, fine. You assume the risk.

The problem is, Group #1 for some dam reason feels like everyone should take it and they will continue to push it until it's mandatory. Why do you care what Group #2 does if you have the vaccine?

Look, someone invited the cuck [bleep]

That is yet to be proven.

Man, I totally agree with you! If people don't want it because it's not been evaluated long-term, that sounds totally reasonable. No one should force them to get one.

I just have a problem with this deliberate misinformation campaign that's going on here. Seems like everyone has a PhD relative who's cryptic concerns we're hearing second hand.

You don't have to justify your reasons to not get it. That's all on you. Just don't spread misinformation to steer away people it could help.

So if 95 percent efficacy against infection with 100 percent efficacy against severe infection in stage 3 trials isn't "protection" then what's your standard?

Oh, please more bureaucrats masquerading as doctors.

While you are at it, post up some good humor from the CDC, The WHO and finish it off with a Fauci cherry on top.

We are not ever going to be rid of the Chicom virus. It has already mutated into a more contagious version so tell me why you think the vaccine will be effective against the new strain? I too was "injected" with all kinds of stuff in the Navy but the difference is those vaccines had years of developement. This virus like the flu will not be defeated.

You may be an extremely gullible individual. You believe there is going to be that level of efficacy? Severe infection in stage three trials? Sounds like they are using it to treat very sick individuals not as a vaccination. I bet you believe every word CNN puts out. Have they tested it on the new more contagious strain?

Were you for or against masks when Fauci was against them?

C'mon, really? That's your counter? "The doctors who published that peer-reviewed paper aren't real doctors!"

So any evidence that disagrees with your baseless assertions is invalid by default? Is that about right?

So you are pro choice! Hah!

Copperking, I've been for masks the entire time. Early on in the pandemic, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea fared way better than Europe, I believe in large part because mask wearing is the norm. That's a well-beaten dead horse though.

It took the CDC a while to get it's story straight and that really damaged public trust.

I know where you're going with this. Mind your own business and let people decide, without repercussion, whether they take it.

Biden voter, you think the CDC is interested in getting it's story straight?

Where am I going with this?

As I said, if people don't want it, that's fine. Don't spout made up "facts" with no data to back them

The medical community and the government have been the principle purveyors of misinformation. Why would people not be skeptical?

“I’ve been for masks the entire time”.

That right there says it all and tells you all you need to know about this individual.

Here's a great example of some misinformation. Maybe clean that up.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...es-are-less-inclined-to-wear-mask#UNREAD

Maybe stay on the topic at hand.

My wife's a PA and she took it a few weeks ago. Her 44 year old healthy friend and mother of 4 died of covid so my wife didn't waste any time getting the shot. I'm high risk because I'm on immunosuppresants and steroids but she told me the health dept said I was about 4th priority and would be lucky to get it in April.

They did health care workers first priority, then 2nd priority all government and essential workers which includes pretty much every one with a job even the young and healthy. Third priority is the people over age 70 and those in care centers, and fourth priority is those under 70 with health problems that put them at high risk. Fifth priority is anyone who's left.

I'm glad 31 year old AOC was one of the first to get it. I bet I get it before April because the health dept probably didn't take into account the number of people that would refuse it.

Bb

Come on Dr Mag, you're smart enough to get your internet medical degree, you should be smart enough to figure out what I was saying. Maybe the tin foil is wrapped to tight on your head. While I have a fair amount of friends, the number is a little less than 330 million. That is 5 out of the people I personally know. Compared to zero deaths/hospitalizations for the cold/flu with people I personally know.

Judging from what I read here, I don't see anyone pushing the vaccine. What I see is anyone that says they would take the vaccine are being called sheep, followers etc from those that think its a conspiracy.

lol... it's coming from the same class of learned azzhole. Modern day "academia". Do you believe this bullchit?

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.597671/full

Eric Prichard - School of Social and Behavioral Sciences, University of Arkansas at Monticello, Monticello, AR, United States
Stephen Christman - Department of Psychology, University of Toledo, Toledo, OH, United States

Nobody in Group #2 wants to deny anyone the right to take it. They may think they're stupid, but that's about it. But there are plenty of people in Group #1 advocating that it be mandatory... despite what you read here.

MTcant,

How wide is your gash?

In inches.

LOL

LOL

It's always the guy that's sheltering in place that wants to explain how scared everybody else should be.

Spare us your bullschit.

Aqualife,

The only way you're taking anything is via COCK.

LOL

Ok, so you disagree with the conclusion of a behavioral science paper (because it offends you...), So therefore all "academics" are wrong? The objective data gathered by a different branch of science is invalid because some other researcher hurt your feelings?

It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but you throw it out like pocket-sand because you don't have a rational argument.

Not hard to find competing science. As for me I’ll continue to roll the dice daily as I have since the start of this thing.

Last thing I saw taking COCK was your sister from you daddy, then there you where! Which explains why you’re terrified of the vaccine. No telling what will happen with that incest infested gene pool you where spawned from.

LOL

No, my degrees came from colleges as did my statistics courses. Your 'data' is at best anecdotal. It's not even remotely representative of the population of even the neighborhood you live in. It means nothing beyond what you choose to believe, and what you believe is wrong.

Wife's nursing co. sent memo about who would be getting it. Almost all responded they would not. Enough of these people work with children who will live what life they have from a bed because of a flu vaccine to know better than to take that junk.

The only reasonable time to take a mRNA vaccine is if you're out of options and might as well try a Hail Mary on the way out. You don't play with fire to avoid the sniffles.

Why the aversion to an mRNA vaccine specifically?

Well, post up some peer reviewed studies of the safety of previous mRNA vaccines......

I got my first dose of the vaccine this morning in the hospital auditorium. There was a pretty strong run on shots by local healthcare workers here. I've been exposed multiple times to covid with not one symptom. But I figure it would be fun to see if I turn into Quasimodo or the elephant man. So far, my arm is a little sore but my wife still recognizes me.

Ok, fair enough.

Bwahahaha! Good one.

you mean like making schit up about lower Covid rates and asian mask wearers?

Yep, totally made up this study out of Japan.

And this article out of Taiwan

And this one comparing South Korea to Europe.

The stuff I've made up has been really prolifically published, hasn't it?

You won't be laughing if you're dead in three years. Unfortunately most Americans won't either because most of our qualified medical staff will be dead also.

And before you respond with BS, I'm not saying you'll be dead. I'm saying there isn't enough info and time trials on this to say it's 100 percent safe and effective. I have people I am very close with that have taken both the Phizer and the Mederna vaccine. They are comfortable with it, one a PA and the other an Oncologist and a fairly prominent Oncologist at that. I am semi high risk and both of my kids have had it (the Rona) yet I am not jumping in line to take it.

While you are at it, please explain the John Hopkins, peer-reviewed and published study comparing US death rates from various causes with previous years' death rates from those causes. While you are at it please explain why it was pulled and many of the studies they based their study on were suddenly very hard to find. Or not, because if it does not turn you around you will know absolutely how badly you have been taken.

In case you have no idea what I am pointing to, realize Covid cured heart disease and cancer in the US in 2020. Among many others.

I will entertain the idea right after they successfully vaccinate for the common cold and the flu.

Does anyone remember the Will Smith movie about the nightcrawlers/zombies?

COVID cured the annual flu in 2020, also.

That article was NOT a peer reviewed study. It was published in the John's Hopkins STUDENT newspaper. It was retracted because it had factual inaccuracy and they saw it was being swallowed up by folks like you grasping for any evidence to support your conspiracy narrative.

Did you research it at all, or just hear through the conspiracy-nut hotline that "a study shows deaths are the same as last year!!"

It makes sense that deaths from other causes would go down because we know that Covid more severely affects those with pre-existing conditions. Someone who would have died of heart failure gets covid, dies sooner than they would have, and they're a covid death rather than heart failure. There's no perfect way to tally the numbers when there are multiple contributing factors, but I think you and I have already been through that in detail in another thread.

Actually, the conclusions to all studies are an informed opinion...but still just an opinion.

This is all such a CF. A local (plastic) surgeon with full blown Covid has been performing procedures on old ladies for two weeks.

. His staff reported him.

My point was I don't sweat stuff like this. I'll be dead when its my time. And not a moment sooner.

You're cute. I don’t disagree with it because it offends me, I disagree with it because it’s an agenda driven piece of quackery written by a couple of quacks. You want to stake your professional reputation on its veracity there "doc"??? Serious question.

There’s been a clear pattern of deceit and ineptitude coming from institutions like government, medicine, and academia. We already agreed about one example involving Fauci and there are others involving him as well. Several in this video alone... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhy2FgkP0Yw

And that's just Fauci. We could write countless pages documenting all the bullchit we've been fed but by all means, keep playing a dumbazz as if none of that is happening.

About 15 years ago I had Lasik. A friend who worked in an eyeglass making place said "you don't know, 10 years down the road you may end up blind". I thought, yea that's possible but I trust the powers that be. Right now you (and all of us) are in the same place except it's more serious. Maybe nothing will happen three or 5 or 10 years down the road but NONE of us know that for a fact. On the other hand my children may experience symptoms or even death down the road from this crap China unleashed on us.

Point being that NO ONE knows what's up and if they do they aren't saying. You are comfortable with your life taking that vaccine that's been unleashed on our population without any time trails or examinations on animal effects? I'm not, not at this point.

I've lived my life and if I die tomorrow that's fine but I'm concerned with my children and future grandchildren. They shouldn't have to worry about this crap. And I don't think our economy needed to be shut down while they were looking for a cure/vaccine. Yes things needed to be done to try and find a cure but the scare they put into the American people was not needed. That was a way to get to Trump, and it looks like you played right into their hands.

They offered it to county employees yesterday.

Don't know how many took them up on it but the wife and myself won't be getting one.

Maybe it will save 2 doses for someone else.

To those who get it good luck.

Never seen you post on the real pandemics traffic accident deaths or state sponsored knock offs (abortions).

What makes dumbfuggers like you tick?

Dont answer, I already know....

Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not only did I research it and read every frigging word in it I spoke to the director of one quarter of the study. We took Virology and Epidemiology courses together in the '70s. But please do go on about what you think you have a clue about.

What frigging color is your Kool-Aid tonight?