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Originally Posted by the444shooter
Hopefully the 127s shoot for you. With that particular model of Vanguard, I don't believe it was supposed to be floated, nor does it have the aluminum bedding block. I just has the factory Griptonite stock on it. The Accuguards with the Bell and Carlson stocks have the aluminum chassis, however. I've been paying attention to your posts because the 6.5x300 has me intrigued as well. The 140 interlocks at that velocity might be a little on the soft side for elk, but would still certainly do the job behind the shoulder.

Anxiously waiting to see how the 127s shoot.



I haven't taken it apart to check, but the Wby website sys that the Accuguard has the same "Full length aluminum bedding plate" as the Accumark, which I have in .340. https://weatherby.com/store/vanguard-accuguard/

But I see you’re saying that because of the Griptonite stock, it’s probably doesn’t have that? The GB entry said that it was “The Vanguard Stainless Accuguard,” which "is an exclusive Show Special for Sports, Inc. Members.” Maybe that’s different. Maybe I should get it free-floated like my MkV.

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I'd be willing to bet that it does not have the aluminum block. The Griptonite stocks aren't set up for them. I saw some of the same models last year (almost bought one in .257 Wby, but didn't)

It might be worth getting the aftermarket Bell and Carlson stock that they put on the upper-end Vanguards, and it will have the aluminum bedding block and floated barrel channel.


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Originally Posted by the444shooter
I'd be willing to bet that it does not have the aluminum block. The Griptonite stocks aren't set up for them. I saw some of the same models last year (almost bought one in .257 Wby, but didn't)

It might be worth getting the aftermarket Bell and Carlson stock that they put on the upper-end Vanguards, and it will have the aluminum bedding block and floated barrel channel.


Thanks!!! This one: http://www.bellandcarlson.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1152

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exactly that.


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Originally Posted by the444shooter
exactly that.


Thanks 444. You edumacated me.

Ordered in the black with grey spideys, just like the big-brother .340.

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When I ordered the rings for that thing, the guy on the phone said "blue, okay?" I thought he said "blued," but I've learned to live with it.

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MarineHawk thanks for writing up your moose hunt and posting more photos. My son ooh'ed and aaah'ed and oh geez'ed through the story! I'm grateful.

Do you handload? Like Dirtfarmer said, don't give up on the Sciroccos yet if you do. They have required some tweaking of seating depth in all but one rifle, after finding a consistent powder charge, for me.


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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Originally Posted by the444shooter
exactly that.


Thanks 444. You edumacated me.

Ordered in the black with grey spideys, just like the big-brother .340.

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When I ordered the rings for that thing, the guy on the phone said "blue, okay?" I thought he said "blued," but I've learned to live with it.


Funny about the rings, had the same thing happen with a trigger guard. Blued not blue dammit!

Sciroccos do indeed shoot well, but tend to take a little more work. I really liked the first version of them, the S2 holds together better but are a tad sticky in the bore IME. Can’t quite get the speed out of them before hitting pressure.

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MarineHawk thanks for writing up your moose hunt and posting more photos. My son ooh'ed and aaah'ed and oh geez'ed through the story! I'm grateful.

Do you handload? Like Dirtfarmer said, don't give up on the Sciroccos yet if you do. They have required some tweaking of seating depth in all but one rifle, after finding a consistent powder charge, for me.



Thanks for the nice message HNS. The funny part to me was that we finished about 2/3 of the skinning and butchering by about 9:30 pm. We hung our sweaty shirts on the horns to hopefully dissuade any bears from stealing the moose. Went back to the only place to put up a tent, about 100 yds away. Guide started cooking dinner, and I put up the tent. The moose wasn't visible from where we had to camp. We were at least 80 miles from the nearest road or building and likely dozens of miles from the nearest person. I built a huge trash and driftwood fire to hopefully help keep bears away from the moose. Started drinking with/after dinner. Stayed up to 3:30 am, during which, every 30 minutes or so, I would fire my 10mm semi-auto into the air and we would scream juvenile obscenities at any potential bear thief. I got up at 7:30 am, donned my waders, and was thankful that the moose was still there.

I won't give up on the SS, but I don't reload--yet. I will try the 127gr LRXs, and put the new free-floating stock on, and work again with everything. The SSs didn't do poorly, and are good enough for elk hunting I think. The 140gr ILs were just a bit better. Gonna play around with it and see what I can get. I'm also pretty frazzled and sleep-deprived from work right now. So, maybe a day off will help. I've basically given my 16-yr-old son my 7mm Wby, which this new one somewhat duplicates, only a bit flatter. So, I think I'm going back to the range tomorrow, while he's at work, and then again on Sunday, when we will alternate the 7mm and the 6.5-300.

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MH,

Great posts and congrats on your exceptional Alaskan moose, that's a hell'va bull.

I think your rig will be fine once you get everything worked out. I have 2 friends who use Accumarks in 30-378 on CO elk out to 1000yds. Last season my friend's wife took her bull at 433yds lasered no problem next hill over from where I killed my buck.

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Originally Posted by rosco1

Funny about the rings, had the same thing happen with a trigger guard. Blued not blue dammit!



Yeah, a single consonant can make a difference. Who knew?

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Originally Posted by Judman
Rem 700, broughton rem sporter 8”” @26” McMillan game scout 805 trigger and you see the gold ring on the scope. 😂😂


Damn bud......Nice.......


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Originally Posted by MtnHtr
MH,

Great posts and congrats on your exceptional Alaskan moose, that's a hell'va bull.

I think your rig will be fine once you get everything worked out. I have 2 friends who use Accumarks in 30-378 on CO elk out to 1000yds. Last season my friend's wife took her bull at 433yds lasered no problem next hill over from where I killed my buck.



Thanks MtnHtr. Dang, 1,000 yards! That's amazing and beyond my goals, especially where I'm going to be hunting.

I was contemplating either a 30-378 or the 6.5-300, because they both equally would fill an unnecessary desire for the ultimate flat-shooting rig. But every time I ran the numbers, the 30-378 came out, better than, but too close to, my .340, and my son has latched on to my 7mm Wby--leaving a hole in that component of my arsenal,

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Two of them (father-son) have been doing it a long time, they also have a Rem 700 Sendero in 300WM. They pick their shots carefully and will pass if it's too windy. Handload Barnes 180gr TTSX work well for them.




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Originally Posted by MtnHtr
Two of them (father-son) have been doing it a long time, they also have a Rem 700 Sendero in 300WM. They pick their shots carefully and will pass if it's too windy. Handload Barnes 180gr TTSX work well for them.


Cool. How fast does the 30-378 launch the 180s? If I had one of those, I would like to try the 190 ABLR in it.

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Two of them (father-son) have been doing it a long time, they also have a Rem 700 Sendero in 300WM. They pick their shots carefully and will pass if it's too windy. Handload Barnes 180gr TTSX work well for them.


Cool. How fast does the 30-378 launch the 180s? If I had one of those, I would like to try the 190 ABLR in it.


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Thanks MtnHtr. Some of the Wby published MV numbers are a bit optimistic, some are fairly accurate, and some of their downrange numbers are illogical. For example, for the 6.5-300 (https://weatherby.com/store/6-5-300-weatherby-magnum/), they have, at 500 yards, the 140gr AB going 76 fps faster than the 140gr Interlock, but they have the 140gr Interlock putting out 163 fpe than the 140gr AB at the same distance.

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Originally Posted by MarineHawk
Thanks MtnHtr. Some of the Wby published MV numbers are a bit optimistic, some are fairly accurate, and some of their downrange numbers are illogical. For example, for the 6.5-300 (https://weatherby.com/store/6-5-300-weatherby-magnum/), they have, at 500 yards, the 140gr AB going 76 fps faster than the 140gr Interlock, but they have the 140gr Interlock putting out 163 fpe than the 140gr AB at the same distance.


I texted two of them, both handload.

200 grain accubond, 3300 fps using Retumbo

180gr TTSX 3450fps using H4831





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Thanks for going to the trouble to find out. That is an impressive round.

I just ran the numbers, and, at 10,000 ft elevation, that 200gr AB is still moving at 2,230 fps with 2,200 fpe at 1,000 yards. At 600 yds, it produces more energy than a 30-06 at the muzzle.

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MH,

A few more details.

My friend texted with the 200 Accubond he killed a buck at 1200 and clear through a cow elk at 770.

The other friend texted another hunter using his Accumark 30-378 dropped a bull at 950yds with the Barnes 180 and he dropped a cow at 460yds. He also texted multiple muleys at 550yds +.




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