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Interesting video on Secret Service use of force from when the guy jumped the fence and charged the White House. I would assume if the Secret Service couldn't use force Capitol Police couldn't.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...ideo/playlists/secret-service-questions/

I believe the Cops were caught off guard on this one, failing to anticipate the size of the crowd and the nature of some of the crowd.

So what do Cops do when faced with overwhelming odds? Fall back apparently, the best course of action as opposed to being injured or killed and/or losing control of their handgun. In this case, due to poor planning in advance one Cop died and a number were injured anyway, which is likely why their Chief resigned.

In that crowd it seems like everyone had a different story depending on where they were, the violence being localized, most not entering the building at all. It has been suggested here that Ms Babbit was shot because “they” needed a higher death toll than the three who it turned out had died elsewhere. I doubt anyone was aware of this tally at 2:44pm where the shooting occurred.

Meanwhile inside the chambers they have resorted to the desperate ploy of barricading the doors to the Chamber because the unthinkable is happening, for all they know a violent mob is actually storming the building.

Three Cops form a human barricade in front of that particular doorway, physically blocking but not acting against the crowd reaching around them to smash the windows anyway.

At the approach of the SWAT guys, on the scene at last, the three Cops step out of the way to let the SWAT guys do what they are trained to do.

How much of this the shooter on the other side of those doors is aware of is open to debate. All he might know is that a loud and violent mob is breaching the doors despite the presence of the Cops there.

At that point Ms Babbit begins to climb through the window, as stated, with a backpack.

If the Cops had been deployed around the Capital Building with sufficient preparation before the rally, likely the casualties would have been fewer.

JMHO

I didn't think that I just asked for comment on a link. However moron the Chinese did do some training in Canada a few years ago.

"#2 LEO s are trained to shoot center mass to effect a STOP.
A well aimed upward shot to the neck/head is intended to kill."

Center of mass is the heart and lung area. A shot from a Glock to the lungs will kill in a few minutes, and a shot to the heart means instant death.

Cops saying they want a STOP is a cute way of saying they want someone dead.

Why was she killed?

She crossed a line that someone else felt shouldn't be crossed.

It has simple as that.

Dump the CNN garbage and read the
DHS 'policy on use of deadly force'
document (with SCOTUS briefs)
and you might get a reasonable clue
depending on reading comprehension
skills.



Maybe the shooter is only concerned with one
task, smoke any rioter that breaches the strict
No-Go zone boundary he is in charge of.
..rioters got plenty prior LE commands to call
off their crap,.. LE do not need to put a sign up
or tell them where the lethal engagement zone
begins... They already crossed a number of lines
in the sand continuing at their own freewill peril.

Roll the dice and take any loss on the chin,
(or head or neck or chest or wherever)

The senate was in session and the security have to protect them. Deadly force is used against anyone breaching the barriers there. It is authorized. Probably the same under duress at any capitol building in any state of the union. The woman was the first to breach the actual door/window. If it had been a groid it would have been the same. I still think the look on the face of the shooter was that of a chickenshit groid. That is my educated opinion. We all would have been dealing with training hopefully over feelings in that situation. And policemen use the term STOP to not say the word KILL. Because of lower than a snake's belly, lawyer, ambulance chaser, no good skunks. We all should get one tag a year for them. Be Well, RZ.

#1: Not true. Deadly force is authorized to prevent breach of secured areas. Its also allowed to prevent escapes from jails/prisons and to prevent theft if classified materials.

#2: Not true. LEOs get lots of training on head shots. As well as center mass, pelvic areas, etc.

#3: She was elevated because she was going through a window over a barricade.

#4: There were, and they should have been given the opportunity to remove her from the window rather than what happened.

I don’t see it as premeditated murder. I do see it as unnecessary and not objectively reasonable. I would still charge the guy.

Much like forcing your way onto a military base. They will blow the barrier and the people in the car will likely die.

Somebody said, "White people in the Capitol building!"

Black man said, "Sheeeeeeit,....move aside,...I'l take carra dis!"

POP!

She should have known that there would be some affirmative action hires in the federal system.

D.C. is the black man's world.

Dead people usually stop what they're doing, dumbas s

I think nancy pelosi is ultimately responsible for the shooting of an unarmed woman.

Gooch gets it. That was not a good shoot and the shooter should be charged. Standing a post and guarding congress is not a job that is going to attract/retain first rate people.


mike r

The way they were barricaded in that room, with furniture stacked against the door; someone was scared for their life.

The cop in the suit shot her while there were officers behind her...."always check your target & what's behind it" one of the rules in basic gun safety apparently isn't taught in the FBI's training program.

Holy crap. A reasonable person.

Law Enforcement are trained to shoot to stop! Not shoot to kill! If they die from that act, so be it. Who ever told you that is wrong. We were trained to shoot center mass and if that didn't stop the threat due to body armor then a CS shot or shots to the pelvic girdle to eliminate the threat. In thirty years of Law Enforcement were never trained to shoot to wound.

What one is officially trained to do can differ
from what an officers actual intent becomes
on the job when a shooting arises.

I think if you shoot someone
(8) times in the back when they
are fleeing, it ain't a simple case
of just wanting to stop someone.
but I'm sure the police union can
figure out some explanation that
calls it justified.
2017, Officer Slager got 20 yrs for
2nd degree murder of Walter Scott.

You’ll know it when Biden pins a medal on him!