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Gotta make room for all the brown hordes...so (((they))) can wreck that country too.
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Supposedly, there have been 50 something deaths in the US related to the shots. Wife was reading this to me this morning, not certain of source......possibly The Epoch Times! memtb
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If ya say boo to a million seniors or high risk folks 50 of em will die on the spot.
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Old trapper, my friend, I am curious what you think of the vaccine. I am in no hurry to get it. These negative reports do not help.
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Old trapper, my friend, I am curious what you think of the vaccine. I am in no hurry to get it. These negative reports do not help. Hi ol buddy. hope the world is treating you alright. Well, to tell the truth, I am a bit of a high risker at my age, have asthma and a heart stent. Soo, the risks being discussed are for me nowhere near the risk of a bout of the covid. Therefore I will be pushing to get in line. ;-{>8 Folks are always deeply suspicious of what is injected in their bodies but to understand it you need to look at the statistics. Getting out of bed carries risk. Eating carries risk. Life is risk. I think most folks do not understand the meaning of zeros, as in 10 to the eighth power. Think yeast cells. If I were younger and had no risk factors I might pass but truthfully I believe the research standard to be quite high. That's the reason for my comment about saying boo. In any crowd of people, like Woodstock or a huge rally, statistically a certain number of people will die. It's just numbers -- and they come up. I suspect you can figure this for yourself. Kids have risk approaching zero, so why do it? I have risk approaching 50% so it's a no brainer the other way. Enough of that. I hope you are making something tasty to drink and life going great. Godspeed, TR
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30.000+ has received the vaccine in Norway and 23 in the most elderly and terminal ill group MIGHT have died from the vaccine.
Those 23 where in the elderly and terminally ill group of the patients, which normally sees 400 dead each week from normal deaths..
So.. in the 4 weeks Norway has vaccinated people, 1600 elderly and terminally ill in the group has died a natural death.. But 23 of those that received vaccines, might have died from it.
These Anti-Vaxxers... I think they secretly hoped they never got the polio vaccine when they where kids.
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Polio was created in a Chinese lab with a vaccine developed and tested under a year? I also don't recall any agendas behind eradicating polio, other than eradicating polio.
Of course everyone needs to get the vaccine so they don't die of the Covid, even though the majority of people aren't going to die from it anyway or are willing to take the "risk". But sign everyone up for their part of this clusterphouc. Those that don't are crazy people, they're the ones keeping everything shut down (even though they haven't been the ones doing the chicken little routine from day one).
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Old trapper, my friend, I am curious what you think of the vaccine. I am in no hurry to get it. These negative reports do not help. Hi ol buddy. hope the world is treating you alright. Well, to tell the truth, I am a bit of a high risker at my age, have asthma and a heart stent. Soo, the risks being discussed are for me nowhere near the risk of a bout of the covid. Therefore I will be pushing to get in line. ;-{>8 Folks are always deeply suspicious of what is injected in their bodies but to understand it you need to look at the statistics. Getting out of bed carries risk. Eating carries risk. Life is risk. I think most folks do not understand the meaning of zeros, as in 10 to the eighth power. Think yeast cells. If I were younger and had no risk factors I might pass but truthfully I believe the research standard to be quite high. That's the reason for my comment about saying boo. In any crowd of people, like Woodstock or a huge rally, statistically a certain number of people will die. It's just numbers -- and they come up. I suspect you can figure this for yourself. Kids have risk approaching zero, so why do it? I have risk approaching 50% so it's a no brainer the other way. Enough of that. I hope you are making something tasty to drink and life going great. Godspeed, TR While I am not knocking the vaccine and have already gotten my 80+ year old parents vaccinated (Moderna). There are few demographics if any that have a risk approaching 50%.
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Oldtrapper, I am actually not doing too well right now as I lost my job at Tabor Hill Winery due to the severe financial impact of Covid on the revenue of the company. Our governor shut down our tasting rooms and restaurants and wedding venue etc for too long. So we are looking to sell our home and I am looking for work.
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The way I understand the way they count covid deaths is that if someone dies within 28 days of a diagnosis they are tallied as a "covid related" death.
So does that mean if someone dies within 28 days of a covid vaccination will they be counted as a "vaccine related" death?
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The way I understand the way they count covid deaths is that if someone dies within 28 days of a diagnosis they are tallied as a "covid related" death.
So does that mean if someone dies within 28 days of a covid vaccination will they be counted as a "vaccine related" death? A great question and the answer will be interesting, to say the least. I am in no hurry to get the vaccination. I live in a semi-remote area and have very little interaction with others. Maybe this summer, sometime. I'm part of the "mature" demographic, at 71, but don't have any other factors of which I am aware. GD
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It is true that 33 elderly people in Norway who were given the vaccine did die. But all of them were in very poor health.
It is not known if the Vaccine is the root cause of the deaths. In Noway 400 people die in rest homes every week
without taking the vaccine. The health people are going to look into it, but still recommend people take the vaccine.
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It is true that 33 elderly people in Norway who were given the vaccine did die. But all of them were in very poor health.
It is not known if the Vaccine is the root cause of the deaths. In Noway 400 people die in rest homes every week
without taking the vaccine. The health people are going to look into it, but still recommend people take the vaccine. But certainly everyone who took a PCR test that showed positive for "covid 19" died of the "virus", regardless of traffic accidents and gunshot wounds and heart attacks and slip-and-falls. JFC, I wish people would learn how to reason.
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Man, I'm sorry to hear that. You have the right values and good skills, and while it's everything but fun I am confident you will land on your feet. This pandemic is gettin over, in my opinion.
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I will admit, ledvm that because there are no statistics that apply perfectly to an individual, my assessment is just that, based on the "available info look around and size up the situation method". Due to cross sectional variability, that is the best option any one individual has, IMO. It's too high for my comfort and that's the bottom line.
I needed to add that I believe I could go to any number of long term care facilities and hand pick 10 people whose risk factor approaches 100%.
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If ya say boo to a million seniors or high risk folks 50 of em will die on the spot. THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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If ya say boo to a million seniors or high risk folks 50 of em will die on the spot. THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yep, I sh*t my pants just reading this and I'm not even high risk.
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If ya say boo to a million seniors or high risk folks 50 of em will die on the spot. THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That makes it much more a crime knowing that the oldest and weakest will die prematurely from the experimental drug they are forced to be subjects for the money makers, doesn't it?
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