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I happened to see these the other day: 1885 Low Wall Hunter High Grade https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-1885/model-1885-current-products/model-1885-low-wall-hunter-high-grade.html These are 2021 Shot Show Specials available in 22 Hornet, 222 Rem, 223 Rem, 243 Win, 6mm Creedmoor, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 6.5x55 Swede all with 24" barrels.
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I could have fun with that rifle. I need to stay on top of the product announcement and roll out.
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I'll get one in 6.5 Swede for sure as soon as I can find one. I didn't get in on the first run several years ago so I'm going to make sure I don't miss out on this one.
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uh oh, now I have another pending budget item to save for..... I would like to get one in 6.5x55 too.....
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I think I'll hold out for a .22 Hornet. Pappy348 has installed that ear worm in me! I have a Browning-Miroku Low Wall .223 that does it all for my mid-range .22 centerfire needs, and I don't need to replace it with a badge-engineered Winchester-Miroku. If I didn't already have it though....
Interesting that they included the .222 in the lineup. One would think in this day and age that a .222 is old hat (and they would be wrong).
As for 6.5x55, again if I didn't already have a dandy single shot in that chambering, a Ruger 1A, I would be camped outside Winchester's door waiting on one. Still might have to, at that!
Darned near anything Miroku sets their mind to is worthy of a serious rifleman's attention, IMO.
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I'm very surprised the 22 Hornet has a twist rate of 1-16''. 222 has a 1-14'' ROT. 223 has a 1-12'' ROT.
Yet, the 6mm CM and above have 1-8" twists. Seems to be a little inconsistent in their barreling solutions.
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Those twists are fine for use with "traditional" bullets in those respective guns - bullets which earned them their reputations.
My Browning Low Wall .223 has a 1-12" twist and it is very accurate with 50-55 grain bullets - to the tune of 1/2MOA. I may be limiting myself by being denied the capability of shooting long sleek VLD bullets but I really don't care. Truth be told I shoot more Berger 40 grain HP's than anything else out of it anyway, as 3/8" groups at 100 are oh so satisfying!
1-16" has been used in Hornets since the very beginning and not found lacking for 45 grain and lighter bullets. If the need for shooting heavier/longer bullets is foreseen I'll reach for something else anyway.
I guess in this day and age of tacticool long range sniping/competition/hunting such old fashioned stubby bullets don't cut the mustard anymore, and more's the pity.
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Well, you just never know. In the Spring 2018 edition of Rifle’s Varmint, Stan Trzoniec reported good, even excellent 3-shot groups from his Browning LW Hornet with several bullets 50gr and heavier. Unless he was accidentally blessed with a faster-twist barrel, perhaps there are exceptions to the common knowledge. No matter to me; I have piles of 30-45gr slugs on hand.
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Those twists are fine for use with "traditional" bullets in those respective guns - bullets which earned them their reputations.
My Browning Low Wall .223 has a 1-12" twist and it is very accurate with 50-55 grain bullets - to the tune of 1/2MOA. I may be limiting myself by being denied the capability of shooting long sleek VLD bullets but I really don't care. Truth be told I shoot more Berger 40 grain HP's than anything else out of it anyway, as 3/8" groups at 100 are oh so satisfying!
1-16" has been used in Hornets since the very beginning and not found lacking for 45 grain and lighter bullets. If the need for shooting heavier/longer bullets is foreseen I'll reach for something else anyway.
I guess in this day and age of tacticool long range sniping/competition/hunting such old fashioned stubby bullets don't cut the mustard anymore, and more's the pity. Your post caused me to look up what my Browning LH A-Bolt 22 Hornets are twisted and learned they have a 16" ROT also. I did not know that.
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Those twists are fine for use with "traditional" bullets in those respective guns - bullets which earned them their reputations.
My Browning Low Wall .223 has a 1-12" twist and it is very accurate with 50-55 grain bullets - to the tune of 1/2MOA. I may be limiting myself by being denied the capability of shooting long sleek VLD bullets but I really don't care. Truth be told I shoot more Berger 40 grain HP's than anything else out of it anyway, as 3/8" groups at 100 are oh so satisfying!
1-16" has been used in Hornets since the very beginning and not found lacking for 45 grain and lighter bullets. If the need for shooting heavier/longer bullets is foreseen I'll reach for something else anyway.
I guess in this day and age of tacticool long range sniping/competition/hunting such old fashioned stubby bullets don't cut the mustard anymore, and more's the pity. You're generally correct. I was thinking specifically of the .223. It's strange in this day and age for them to limit bullet options with a slow twist.
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Darned near anything Miroku sets their mind to is worthy of a serious rifleman's attention, IMO. Those of us in my age group, still may be adverse to "Made in Japan". but in all honesty I've found the quality of the Browning-Miroku rifles to be excellent. I have Low Walls in .45 Colt Long, .22 K-Hornet, .243 Win. .260 Rem, and Win-Miroku rifles in .223 Rem and a .22 Hornet currently being bored to .32/20 WCF. I have found the Browning marked guns to have much nicer wood than the Winchesters... But that being said, I might be tempted by a Creedmoor... I do wish that they would make a run in .25/20 and .32/20... And even a .218 Bee... But I'm not holding my breath - GH
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7lbs 8 oz ? I think my browning 22 hornet is much lighter?
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I think a Hornet would be fun. First thing I'd do is get it to my smith and strip that polyurethane finish and high gloss blue off it. A good oil finished stock and a matt metal finish and then there's a nice gun.
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I need that Swede. How do I order..
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I think a Hornet would be fun. First thing I'd do is get it to my smith and strip that polyurethane finish and high gloss blue off it. A good oil finished stock and a matt metal finish and then there's a nice gun. Agree with that.
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I've taken a different approach. Instead of stripping the finish I have merely rubbed it out, then waxed it. Results in a much softer luster, and the wonderful waterproofing qualities of the finish isn't compromised. IMO, oil finishes are ok on guns that won't see much outdoor use - pretty to look at but abysmal in terms of preventing water fenestration.
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That is a beautiful production rifle.
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I do wish that they would make a run in .25/20 and .32/20... And even a .218 Bee... But I'm not holding my breath - GH Yep. I've never looked to see if a .218 would clean up a Hornet chamber or not. When I saw the .22 Hornet in the lineup, my first thought was .. maybe a candidate for a rebore to .25-20. Got brass 'n' bullets, no gun, and a low wall .25-20 has been on my list for a very long time. Tom
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I do wish that they would make a run in .25/20 and .32/20... And even a .218 Bee... But I'm not holding my breath - GH Yep. I've never looked to see if a .218 would clean up a Hornet chamber or not. When I saw the .22 Hornet in the lineup, my first thought was .. maybe a candidate for a rebore to .25-20. Got brass 'n' bullets, no gun, and a low wall .25-20 has been on my list for a very long time. Tom I'd buy a 32-20, like right now. Jerry
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