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The worst thing any 3d party can do is run a candidate for president. That only splits the vote and guarantees the worst possible candidate gets elected. It's happened a number of times, most recently Woodrow Wilson and Bill Clinton, thanks to an independent candidate. What they need to do is put all their efforts into getting congressmen elected. They can do that state by state.

The candidate has to be un-ignorable on the order of Ross Perot. Trump could do that for a Patriot Party. Also, I won't be surprised if the lp turns out to be a construct of the oligarchy to forestall the rise of a third party. And I've voted lp whenever they field a representative candidate for years.

I said a year ago we'd all wind up fighting for Trump as awful as he is. What a stupid world.

Trump would get crushed as a 3d party candidate. 100% of his votes would come from current republican voters, leaving both Trump and the R candidate woefully short of even the worst possible Dem candidate.
The only way for Trump to get reelected is to get the Republican nomination through whatever process it takes. Teddy Roosevelt tried it, too. He lost the R nomination so he started the Progressive (Bull Moose) party. All he did was get Woodrow Wilson elected.

The best Trump could do as a 3d party would be to pull a few EC votes and keep the Dem candidate from getting a majority. That would throw it into the house where he would get no votes at all. Rememer, in the house it's 1 vote/state. All the congressmen are R or D and Trump would get nothing.

I think you underestimate the power of the media to simply ignore what or who it doesn't want to acknowledge. Then, since people can't give anyone or anything any validity unless the media does, the person or thing or happening might as well not exist at all. There is no such thing as "un-ignorable" today. If Twitter and Facebook ban it, and Amazon won't sell it, and the MSM won't talk about it, it doesn't exist. They did a version of this to Trump, but rather than ignoring him (they can't ignore a POTUS), they misquoted him and made up endless conspiracies and called everything he did evil and everything he said bigoted.

What you need to realize is it doesn't matter the who or the what. The media will determine how people perceive it, or even whether they do.

Want to ensure that conservatives never hold office?

It's easy - split the vote with a conservative 3rd party!

That's about the dumbest thing ever. If you really wanted to help conservatives, you'd be sending money to the Green Party before you even think about a conservative 3rd party.

This isn't difficult, folks.

It's not a "No" like anarchy. It's a "No" where legitimate govt entities such as cities, counties, etc. say "No" to Federal funding (or at least take the money and then refuse to implement the attached strings) and say "No" to Federal interference. The whole "sanctuary city" type stuff that Progs loved so well but are gonna hate when we implement them.

There's no violence needed by us, no anarchy involved, just using subsidiarity to assert our rights.
Heck, you could even claim you were doing your patriotic duty to help America by trying to save the Feds some money.

Starting a third party won’t work.

As I've said before...to be affective, a 3d party MUST NOT RUN A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT. That's a guaranteed loser. They need to put 100% of their efforts into electing congressmen. That's done state by state, not a national vote. Once they're elected, they can start working to get something done.
Even that's a rough trip. A Patriot party candidate for senator will likely split the R vote in the state, giving it to the D. There have been a few 3d party and independent congressmen who've won, though. Not even remotely close for president.

A third party would have to differentiate itself enough from the party it's leaving so that it attracts more moderates from the party it's competing against. If the third party only attracts people from the party it is leaving then it is doomed to fail.

For example, a Patriot party would have to soften some of the republican core values to attract moderate democrats. The question to ask is if it would attract enough moderate democrats to outnumber the number of people staying with the republican party. The answer is usually No.