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Got the bullets from Barnes and some CFE 223 powder and need some loads recommended for this combo. I have shot the Barnes 130 TTSX using TAC and it is a lazer in my Model 70 308, but want to try the 150's.
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Hodgdon's data center has loads for the 150g E-Tip, that's the best start I can recommend.
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I loaded some 150gn Hp's and 51gns CFE223 for a 5 shot average of 2983fps. Rifle is a Rem 700 with 22"bbl.
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Dingp, the 150hn Hp's....what bullet is that? Thanks.
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Dingp, the 150hn Hp's....what bullet is that? Thanks.
This is them. The genuine article "Made in Australia" ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/8cyIlAh.jpg)
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Can they be bought.....watched some of the video...would buy some if could. Let me know if possible. Thanks.
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Blueboy, Quickload show that as the top velocity powder for the bullet. Here you go. As always, start low and work up: Please let us know how this works in your gun. If that doesn't work out with this bullet, because sometimes that how Barnes bullets are, let us know. There's plenty of good options available Good Luck.
artridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30366
Useable Case Capaci: 46.585 grain H2O = 3.025 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon CFE223 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 96 45.00 2631 2305 41979 7122 92.3 1.253
-09.0 97 45.50 2662 2360 43498 7210 92.9 1.233
-08.0 98 46.00 2693 2416 45074 7297 93.4 1.213
-07.0 99 46.50 2725 2473 46716 7381 94.0 1.194
-06.0 100 47.00 2756 2530 48424 7462 94.5 1.175
-05.0 101 47.50 2788 2588 50207 7540 95.0 1.157
-04.0 103 48.00 2819 2647 52064 7616 95.4 1.138
-03.0 104 48.50 2851 2707 54002 7689 95.9 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 49.00 2882 2767 56024 7758 96.3 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 106 49.50 2914 2828 58134 7824 96.7 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 50.00 2946 2890 60341 7887 97.1 1.068 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 108 50.50 2978 2953 62645 7946 97.5 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 109 51.00 3009 3016 65050 8002 97.8 1.035 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 110 51.50 3041 3081 67579 8053 98.1 1.019 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 52.00 3073 3145 70220 8102 98.4 1.003 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 112 52.50 3105 3211 72990 8145 98.7 0.987 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 50.00 2996 2990 64019 7894 98.4 1.043 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 50.00 2891 2784 56806 7840 95.4 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Last edited by antelope_sniper; 01/31/21.
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hwt, thanks will have to try this, This info is with a 24" barrel, mine is a 22". What should I expect ?
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hwt, thanks will have to try this, This info is with a 24" barrel, mine is a 22". What should I expect ? You should expect about 60 fps less:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30366
Useable Case Capaci: 46.585 grain H2O = 3.025 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon CFE223 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 96 45.00 2578 2214 41979 7824 91.4 1.189
-09.0 97 45.50 2609 2268 43498 7927 92.0 1.170
-08.0 98 46.00 2641 2323 45074 8027 92.6 1.151
-07.0 99 46.50 2672 2378 46716 8124 93.1 1.132
-06.0 100 47.00 2704 2435 48424 8219 93.7 1.114
-05.0 101 47.50 2735 2492 50207 8311 94.2 1.096
-04.0 103 48.00 2767 2550 52064 8400 94.7 1.079
-03.0 104 48.50 2798 2608 54002 8485 95.2 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 49.00 2830 2668 56024 8567 95.7 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 106 49.50 2862 2728 58134 8646 96.1 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 50.00 2894 2789 60341 8721 96.5 1.011 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 108 50.50 2926 2851 62645 8793 96.9 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 109 51.00 2958 2913 65050 8860 97.3 0.979 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 110 51.50 2990 2977 67579 8924 97.7 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 52.00 3022 3041 70220 8983 98.0 0.948 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 112 52.50 3054 3106 72990 9038 98.3 0.933 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 50.00 2945 2888 64019 8748 98.0 0.987 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 50.00 2838 2683 56806 8650 94.7 1.038 ! Near Maximum !
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Thanks A sniper, if you could give me a Quickload on the TRSX 130 g and the 22" barrel..
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A. sniper? the TTSX 130g load with a 22" barrel with TAC is what I need, not with CFE223. Thanks.
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A. sniper? the TTSX 130g load with a 22" barrel with TAC is what I need, not with CFE223. Thanks. Sure can. Here you go:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 130, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30364
Useable Case Capaci: 48.979 grain H2O = 3.180 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Ramshot TAC *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 92 45.00 2707 2115 43443 7460 88.4 1.120
-09.0 93 45.50 2738 2163 44921 7561 89.0 1.103
-08.0 94 46.00 2769 2213 46454 7661 89.5 1.086
-07.0 96 46.50 2800 2263 48042 7758 90.1 1.070
-06.0 97 47.00 2831 2313 49689 7854 90.7 1.054
-05.0 98 47.50 2862 2365 51398 7949 91.2 1.038
-04.0 99 48.00 2893 2417 53171 8041 91.7 1.023 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 100 48.50 2925 2469 55011 8132 92.2 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 49.00 2956 2523 56921 8220 92.7 0.992 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 102 49.50 2988 2577 58905 8307 93.2 0.977 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 50.00 3019 2631 60967 8391 93.7 0.963 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 104 50.50 3051 2687 63109 8473 94.1 0.949 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 105 51.00 3082 2743 65336 8552 94.6 0.934 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 106 51.50 3114 2799 67653 8629 95.0 0.921 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 52.00 3146 2856 70063 8703 95.4 0.907 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 108 52.50 3177 2914 72573 8774 95.8 0.894 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 50.00 3069 2719 64264 8472 95.4 0.941 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 50.00 2966 2539 57711 8280 91.7 0.986 ! Near Maximum !
Another good one for that bullet would be W748:
Cartridge : .308 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 130, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30364
Useable Case Capaci: 48.979 grain H2O = 3.180 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Winchester 748
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 93 45.00 2843 2333 45222 8049 95.9 1.079
-09.0 94 45.50 2875 2386 46832 8132 96.3 1.062
-08.0 95 46.00 2907 2439 48504 8212 96.8 1.046
-07.0 96 46.50 2939 2493 50244 8288 97.1 1.030
-06.0 97 47.00 2971 2548 52050 8361 97.5 1.014
-05.0 98 47.50 3003 2603 53930 8430 97.9 0.998 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 99 48.00 3035 2658 55885 8495 98.2 0.983 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 100 48.50 3066 2714 57919 8557 98.5 0.968 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 49.00 3098 2771 60037 8615 98.7 0.953 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 102 49.50 3130 2828 62242 8668 99.0 0.938 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 103 50.00 3162 2885 64541 8717 99.2 0.924 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 104 50.50 3193 2943 66934 8762 99.4 0.910 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 105 51.00 3225 3002 69434 8803 99.5 0.896 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 106 51.50 3256 3061 72040 8839 99.7 0.883 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 52.00 3288 3120 74762 8870 99.8 0.869 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 108 52.50 3319 3180 77602 8897 99.9 0.856 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 50.00 3208 2971 68635 8646 99.8 0.902 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 50.00 3110 2792 60624 8743 98.2 0.948 ! Near Maximum !
Last edited by antelope_sniper; 02/01/21.
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Thanks my friend...helped a bunch.
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Antelope sni, got a question about Quickload. Hodgedon lists 51.5 g of CFE223 with a 150g NOS BT as MAX load with the PSI of 57000 and 2974 FPS. Does not list the Barnes 150 TTSX, but that is understandable. Question is, the SAMI PSI for a 308 is 62000, why soes Quickload list 50.5 g for CFE223 at 2926 FPS and 62645 PSI and Hodgedon lists 57000 PSI for a 150g NOS BT? Seems like the power sites lists MAX loads and FPS faster than Quickload for a given load.. Hope this not so confusing, but there is a difference as I see it.
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Blueboy,
There's several inputs that can be tweeked on Quickload. Barrel length is one example, but you can also adjust seating depth, cartridge length, and two of the big ones, barrel length and case volume. In general, for a broadcast audience I leave case volume alone, but changing it a few grains one way or another can change the output more than you might expect.
Primers can also have an impact on velocities. I've seen just a change in primers alter velocites 100 fps with the same load in multiple guns.
You may also see variation in lots of powder.
Overall, for bottle necked rifle cartridge's, quick load can be surprisingly accurate, especially since the user can select the proper barrel length and case capacity. Still there are some area's were it's important to be extra cautious, specifically with straight walled cases, so you won't see me posting many results for them.
Quick loads a good tool for setting expectation, but it's still not a substitute for starting low and properly working up with your gun and your choice of components.
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Thanks Ant. sni, sheds some light on it.
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