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I am looking at one of these, partially as a future deer rifle for grandkids, partially for myself, due to several factors. I like the low recoil, low blast aspect, and less expensive ammunition(in normal times) is a good thing. I am considering perhaps getting a suppressor at some point, as well, and the availability of factory subsonic ammo is attractive. Not to mention the cartridge seems to be pretty much a modern version of a 35 Remington. Perfect round for where I hunt.

My question for anyone who has one is this. What is the bore diameter on these? Main reason I ask, from all I can read, Winchester says it’s a .357 bullet, but Hornady uses a .355 bullet. Actual Winchester ammo seems to measure .354 to .356? I happen to have a few thousand 125 gr. Speer Gold Dot bullets, designed for the .357 Sig, which are a .355 diameter. My thinking is, since I no longer have a .357 Sig, these could potentially be used as plinking ammo at a minimum, and maybe even as low recoil reduced load deer rounds for small shooters. Just wondering if they will shoot. If not, I can always sell the bullets, and do something else.

Also, the round seems almost made for cast bullets, curious if anyone is trying that out yet?

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Just call Henry and ask. They answer the phone IME.

Personally, I’d go for a .357 mag for cast. More options I think, including the ones piled on my bench. Since I don’t need the .350 here for deer, a .357 would be very practical, but I gotta make some room first.


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Mike Bellm also is doing some work on the Henry 350 Legend, enabling it to accept .358 bullets by lengthening the throat.
350 Legend is .355 but there are lots of people shooting .357 & .358 slugs through theirs.


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That’s how it’s designed. IIRC, .357 revolvers use a .357 bullet, but it is squeezed down in the forcing cone/barrel to .355 anyway? I am not worried about being able to use .357 pistol bullets, I think that is a given, and the cartridge offers the benefits of a .357 Max or better in a factory cartridge, or seems to. It’s not critical that is can use .355 bullets, just could be neat for my situation if it did. I am going to get one, even if all I ever use is factory ammo. And I think it’s a real sleeper for cast bullet use.

I don’t plan to open it up, because the .358 rifle bullets is not where I really want to go with it. I have a Hawkeye AW in .308 I can rebore to .358 if I want to do that.

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There's a group on facebook dedicated to the .350 Legend. Many of them simply run .358" bullets through a Lee .355" sizer die. Myself I don't see the need. There's becoming more and more appropriate bullets available for the cartridge including several mono-metal designs. The problems with .358" jacketed bullet is that most don't perform well within the Legends velocity parameters.


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That was my concern with .358 projectiles, as well. Most are probably designed to work well at a range starting at 1800 or so and up to 27-2800. The Legend would likely be below 1800 starting out or at least within 100 yards when using 225 or heavier bullets. It could be viable with 180 gr, but there are already a couple of good 180 factory loads, and there are good 180 gr. .357 bullets that will do, as well. The attraction of .358 bullets is for rifles with the velocity to use them, I would think. Everyone dogs the Legend because it can’t use a .358 bullet, but you already have everything from a 35 Remington to a 358 Norma to use them in, and the case capacity and operating parameters of the Legend benefit far more from the wide array of .355-.357 bullets, to my mind. I suspect one will be hard pressed to beat the 255 subsonic factory load for terminal performance in a subsonic load, unless perhaps using a well chosen cast bullet. Maybe I miss something, but I can’t understand how it is better to have a .358 bore than .355-.357 for this particular cartridge.

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Why not get the 357 Magnum? Mike Belm will rechamber it to 357 Rem Max for $105. Then you can shoot 38 Special, 357 magnum, 360 Dan Wesson, and 357 Max. Even better, there are lots more .357/.358 bullets available.

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I ordered one today.


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I bought the one I shot, it's 350 Legend, has a pretty stock on it. Only shot it a few times at 50 yrds but it was pretty much one hole group.


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I have a new 350 Legend in an AR but my single shot will be the 357 Max. It can be loaded stiff enough to out run the Legend.


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Don’t know about elsewhere, but I see a lot more 350L ammo on shelves here than 357 Max. Never seen a 357 Max factory load, matter of fact. How available is brass, for the Max? And doesn’t the 350L have more case capacity?

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Originally Posted by OldGrayWolf
Don’t know about elsewhere, but I see a lot more 350L ammo on shelves here than 357 Max. Never seen a 357 Max factory load, matter of fact. How available is brass, for the Max? And doesn’t the 350L have more case capacity?


I believe the 357 Maximum has a little more capacity



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Very little if any 357 Max factory listings will be seen on store shelves. If you don’t reload, this is not a good caliber for you. Brass is available from several sources.


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I do reload, but don’t like be limited to just that. Being able to buy factory loads as well is pretty much a requirement for me, and rates above a bit more velocity or similar considerations. I do not need to outrun the legend, as it will do what I need as it is. I am far more interested in the subsonic capabilities and the ability to use cast bullets. For simply killing deer or such, any of the factory loads, or most any cast bullet load will do that just fine.

This will not be a long range or benchrest setup, it will be a low recoil, short range killing gun which sees more time in the woods than at the range. For what I want to do, and where I plan to do it, it is enough. For some, that is not good enough, they have to have that last bit of velocity or something others don’t have. For me, sufficient attributes to serve the intended purpose equals perfection. In that regard, the Legend checks a lot of boxes.

I have killed deer with everything from a .22 LR to a 45-70. For where I hunt, Bottleneck cartridges are usually more than is needed, and many straight wall cartridges lack a bit for range. The .35 Remington is really good, but ammo is expensive and becoming uncommon. The Legend does the exact same thing with less powder and a modern, less expensive round. Like I said, from my experience, there is a sweet spot above the 357 mag and below the high pressure bottleneck rounds. The Legend and 35 Remington are that sweet spot. 30-30 is good too, but for cast bullets and subsonic loads I prefer the .35’s. Just works for me, where I am.

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Sound reasoning. I'll be interested to hear how it performs for you and how satisfied you are with it.


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Will advise, if I can find one and some ammo to go with it. May take a bit, with the current stupidity mucking things up...

Also interested in your impressions of it in your AR. Thought about just grabbing an upper, but with what I want to do with it, I don’t think a semi auto is the best platform.

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I've not had mine out yet but hope to do so when the weather breaks. I'll file a report here.


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I'd like to order a 357 (I will have converted to Max) and a 450BM (I have tons of reloading components) . Where is the best place to order from?

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I'd like to order a 357 (I will have converted to Max) and a 450BM (I have tons of reloading components) . Where is the best place to order from?

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I ordered mine from Curt Bellm and am having the chamber opened up to 357 Maximum and the throat opened for .358 bullets. He has several on order but it will likely be 12 weeks before it arrives.


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