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Unfortunately those loans were predatory from the get go as is the education system. Lots of kids got loans and were going to school just enough to live on the loans. Bad idea. Stupid.
The idea to laugh ar these young f0lks not having a usable degree or any experiance isnt something to take glee in either. Its a tragedy and we allowed this to happen.
I dont know what this may do to retirement funds but it probably wont be positive for most folks.
At best this education system is an criminal enterprise as is the loaning of college costs and the insane rising costs. Its not funny because young people were duped into the game as is normalnfolks saving for retirement and the social structure at large. Its a sad tale, but continuing down the same path will only make it worse.
One of my biggest complainst Trump ( i voted for him twice) is that he blew the opportunity to captivate these young people and engage with them a workable solution to this crisis. His arrogance didnt allow him to visit schools and students and put their voices and concerns before congress and also the interests of jilders of this debt. He had an opporrunity to reach out to young folks and put this mess in a spotlight instead of spend time in Mar a Lago. He had the opportunity to do something for a whole block of young voters but did nothing. This burns me, and now we have a demented lackluster idiot in the house calling the shots yet he cant point to the door that leads out of the room.
Trumps arrogance? How many 'schools' would have allowed him to step foot on the grounds? The arrogance was/is on the other side.
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Some of the biggest industries represented among Biden donors overall have been Finance, Securities & Investment, and Education.
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It is the cheap, easy-to-get money, that is backed by the government, that can't be discharged in bankruptcy, that has driven up the cost of education. Saddling a fresh graduate with $100,000 in debt is inhumane and bad for the economy. In our modern economy, you're screwed without a college degree, but your also screwed with the massive debt load it comes with. It is a disaster perpetuated by the government on our young people.
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It is the cheap, easy-to-get money, that is backed by the government, that can't be discharged in bankruptcy, that has driven up the cost of education. Saddling a fresh graduate with $100,000 in debt is inhumane and bad for the economy. In our modern economy, you're screwed without a college degree, but your also screwed with the massive debt load it comes with. It is a disaster perpetuated by the government on our young people. The schools themselves have become just a bit bloated IMO
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K-12
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Every dollar that is printed by .GOV
Dilutes the value of every dollar earned or saved.
When I was a boy, my family took a vacation to Acapulco Mexico. My father had won some trip with this company.
I was about 10 or 12. He took me to the city to see things. And various shops to buy and sell Goods in a third world country. I remember the peso what's worth about $0.25. It was a good education on a 4 to 1 exchange rate. He let me buy some switchblade because I thought it was cool. I seem to recall it was my first education in negotiation. I was intimidated to negotiate, but he explained it was expected and they would not have respect for me if I did not negotiate.
Years later watching the news with my family I saw that the peso was no longer 4:1... but more like 100:1.
The concept that my dollar was now worth so much more was fascinating to me... and I wanted to go back to Mexico to buy even more stuff.
My father explained that is not how it works. The switchblade I had bought for 25 pesos three or four years before would now cost 525 pesos.
After the concept finally sank in a few days later... I told my father "Their money is worthless." Ahhh. The "New" peso - "N". We could fill a room with discussion on that. Watch for something like that from the DC dirtbags when our dollar devaluates.
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Im laughing at all the losers that owe 50K and can't even get a job . What about the ones that will get a job and owe $50K? My daughter is going to medical school. I don't have enough to pay all her bills. I have plenty in the 529 to get her through 3 years. She began college as a Jr because of going to college while in HS, which is free in the Post Secondary Education Option (PSEO) in MN. She knows she'll have to pay it, and will pay it. She works harder than probably 90% of the people on here.
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Unfortunately those loans were predatory from the get go as is the education system. Lots of kids got loans and were going to school just enough to live on the loans. Bad idea. Stupid.
The idea to laugh ar these young f0lks not having a usable degree or any experiance isnt something to take glee in either. Its a tragedy and we allowed this to happen.
I dont know what this may do to retirement funds but it probably wont be positive for most folks.
At best this education system is an criminal enterprise as is the loaning of college costs and the insane rising costs. Its not funny because young people were duped into the game as is normalnfolks saving for retirement and the social structure at large. Its a sad tale, but continuing down the same path will only make it worse.
One of my biggest complainst Trump ( i voted for him twice) is that he blew the opportunity to captivate these young people and engage with them a workable solution to this crisis. His arrogance didnt allow him to visit schools and students and put their voices and concerns before congress and also the interests of jilders of this debt. He had an opporrunity to reach out to young folks and put this mess in a spotlight instead of spend time in Mar a Lago. He had the opportunity to do something for a whole block of young voters but did nothing. This burns me, and now we have a demented lackluster idiot in the house calling the shots yet he cant point to the door that leads out of the room. He had no opportunity. Those folks are so brainwashed and pussified by the system that they only hear what they want to hear, and what they want to hear is about free stuff and a life free from care (responsibility).
What fresh Hell is this?
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The cost of tuition is high (and keeps raising) because of the easily available government loans.
The easily government loans are available because the tuition is high and keeps raising.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Just like the war on drugs, welfare, and everything else the government is involved in, it won’t fix itself. There are solutions that would work, but too many would be opposed to the fallout.
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The cost of tuition is high (and keeps raising) because of the easily available government loans.
The easily government loans are available because the tuition is high and keeps raising.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Just like the war on drugs, welfare, and everything else the government is involved in, it won’t fix itself. There are solutions that would work, but too many would be opposed to the fallout.
100% spot on. The perfect liberal designed self-licking ice cream cone
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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A tragedy for sure. Personal finance common sense isn’t very common and debt is king. Per usual, the democrat solution worsens the problem. As a culture we should be teaching financial literacy to our kids and we don’t.
Bailing these kids out won’t help them learn anything except that debt is okay. Financial train wreck moving toward.
Plus.... since I paid every dollar of mine it just really pisses me off.
But there is all kinds of schemes where this occurs right now. My cousins is nearing 10 years of payments on 250k in loans. She’s a grade school teacher, overpaid, spreading communist propaganda to kids, we foot the bill. Disgusting. You’re cousin (probably didn’t go to Harvard but is 250k in debt) to teach grade school. You don’t think that isn’t an artificial occupation system to make debt slaves and dependent on government? Somebody needing an MA to teach 3rd grade and going 250k in the hole to do it is a huge part of the problem. She's dumber than a box of stumps to take on that kind of debt for "higher education".. which explains everything else you said about her.
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The cost of tuition is high (and keeps raising) because of the easily available government loans.
The easily government loans are available because the tuition is high and keeps raising.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Just like the war on drugs, welfare, and everything else the government is involved in, it won’t fix itself. There are solutions that would work, but too many would be opposed to the fallout.
100% spot on. The perfect liberal designed self-licking ice cream cone Get .gov out of it, but that won't happen. Too many "side deals", as Wall Street calls it.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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I wrote the last check for my student loans on jan 6. I earned mine and paid it off the right way.
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So does this mean college will be free in the future? Where does this end? What happens when a kid goes and applies to go to college next year, do they get student loan forgiveness also? Doesn't make sense. You're 1st sentence says it all.................it'll all be free. If the loans are to be forgiven, then there will be no more (meaningless) loans, right. So the one's that get their loans forgiven got free college, right? Only fair that new students get the same treatment, right? Pay up Mr. Taxpayer, the Fed dictates free tuition for everyone. Ain't Socialism great? What happens when they run out of other people's money? Oh, let's just crank up the presses for a little overtime........................... Insanity at it's best. MM
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these kids are taught return on investment these days. You don't have to go to Harvard to be a school teacher. Why would you spend 250k when a state or local school would have been a ton cheaper and just as good.
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I called BMG Steel in Richmond Virginia the other day about a variety of steel I will need for miscellaneous fabrication projects in the next 6 months.
Chatting with the salesman he explained that steel prices had almost doubled in the past year and that many popular items such as 11 gauge 2 inch square stock we're simply no longer available at present.
Had a structural steel guy and a building erector in at work last week. They were saying a lot of their steel quotes they’re getting in are good for that day only.
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My son will get an engineering degree this spring. I’ve paid for it. He’s earned it. Would it be a good gamble for him to get a 50k loan now with the expectation that it will be forgiven? It would make a nice down payment on a home.
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My son will get an engineering degree this spring. I’ve paid for it. He’s earned it. Would it be a good gamble for him to get a 50k loan now with the expectation that it will be forgiven? It would make a nice down payment on a home. That's simply wrong
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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I said it on this board the day Obama had the government take over the Student Loan program, I knew it was going to be used / weaponized against us ...if you took out the loan you pay the damn thing back ... I ain't paying for your crap .
I work harder than a ugly stripper....
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My son will get an engineering degree this spring. I’ve paid for it. He’s earned it. Would it be a good gamble for him to get a 50k loan now with the expectation that it will be forgiven? It would make a nice down payment on a home. That's simply wrong I agree, but was trying a real world example of how this debt forgiveness thing is horsechit. Are you aware of any reason this scenario couldn’t or wouldn’t happen?
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It is the cheap, easy-to-get money, that is backed by the government, that can't be discharged in bankruptcy, that has driven up the cost of education. Saddling a fresh graduate with $100,000 in debt is inhumane and bad for the economy. In our modern economy, you're screwed without a college degree, but your also screwed with the massive debt load it comes with. It is a disaster perpetuated by the government on our young people. Funny with a bit of planning, working part time you can get a usable degree without going into debt. Going to Notre Dame, UCLA, U VA, MIT......and majoring in history, psychology, sociology, English, political science or an education degree is just plain stupid.
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