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Since I have been watching the stock market. It rises to reflect inflation. They print a pile of money. The dollars we hold become devalued. Stock prices go up because it takes more devalued dollars to equal what companies are worth.

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Since I have been watching the stock market. It rises to reflect inflation. They print a pile of money. The dollars we hold become devalued. Stock prices go up because it takes more devalued dollars to equal what companies are worth. Other factors could cause other results.

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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Hope they let me use all that $$ out of the 2 kids 529 plan if it’s going to be free now.
All this country does is reward poor decisions and punish hard work and smart choices. I’m tired of the BS.

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Hope they let me use all that $$ out of the 2 kids 529 plan if it’s going to be free now.
All this country does is reward poor decisions and punish hard work and smart choices. I’m tired of the BS.



Agreed. Paid mine back for 15 yrs and these spoiled ass brats want it for free just like everything else. Grow up! Get a job! Go to work! Pay your bills!

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Originally Posted by Hogwild7
Since I have been watching the stock market. It rises to reflect inflation. They print a pile of money. The dollars we hold become devalued. Stock prices go up because it takes more devalued dollars to equal what companies are worth. Other factors could cause other results.

The silent tax. Govt debt is worth less with inflation.

We pay. They spend, buy votes to stay in power. We pay....

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I"m all for 0% student loans, and I'm all for loan forgiveness if someone is a say a teacher and takes a job for 5 years at an inner city school or a doctor sets up a general practice in a remote area.

If your education is serving a greater good to humanity then I can make the argument society should give you something back

But as a nation we shouldn't be giving kids who major in a non STEM curriculum loans that will take more than a decade to pay of *IF* they manage to get a decent job.



F-THAT.

Society shouldn’t pay any of it. The kids need to pay for their own choices. It’s just freaking theft to make society pay for the choices the kids made.

I sacrificed A LOT to get through with minimal debt. Others should do the same and learn how to be grown ups and pay their own bills.


I'm not talking about their choices, I'm talking about choices that the country needs and it benefits everyone.

I have no problem forgiving student loan debt for someone who agrees to do a job that benefits the country. No different than joining the military and getting college paid for.
Doctors, Teachers, probably some other careers I can't think of right now.

How many of us have a doctor who got their degree in another country? Or politicians touting school vouchers to send kids to suburban schools (our suburban schools) because they can't get a decent education at their local school in the city.




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Originally Posted by 16bore
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I"m all for 0% student loans, and I'm all for loan forgiveness if someone is a say a teacher and takes a job for 5 years at an inner city school or a doctor sets up a general practice in a remote area.


Brilliant. So phuqqin simple. Or why not a reverse GI Bill? You’ve got a degree, serve in the military. There couldn’t be an easier way to repay a loan. Room, board, clothing all taken care of.



Because they won't get as many into the indoctrination system if they do that.


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All of the discussion about the government role in this mess, the students who should/should not have to pay off their loans, etc., etc.
A huge factor is the behavior of the colleges/universities, which kept raising and raising tuition and fees to fatten their coffers with easy money because they knew the students could and would go so far into debt. And, did some students misuse and abuse the loan program - you bet some did - for all sorts of non-essential expenses/purchases. What could have been a righteous way to truly help with education was abused wholesale - a shameful mess.


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My son will get an engineering degree this spring


Many years back one of my supervisors paid for his kids but also took out the max in student loans. I think they were at about 4% then. Invested in the markets and did very well. Market was doing about 12%.

Paid for my son during his schooling. As parents we had a forced appointment with the school's financial office, and just shot the breeze for our assigned 20-minute window. The load officer said kids used the place like it was a credit card. Come in and ask for 5K, and while the paper work was being done talk about how grand spring break was down in Cabo.

By age 18, most kids should have an understanding of the term "loan."

The best deal around here is to enter the medical fields, put in two years in a rural community, and the hospital pays off their loans. Neighbor serves on the local hospital board. Young budding doctors draw about 225K in salary, only work half time, and then farm out to other hospitals during their off time at even higher rates. Eighteen months in, their homes get listed, and 2 years to the day they head for Metropolis free and clear.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
LET THE BORROWERS PAY BACK THE LOANS WITH PRE-TAX MONEY!!

Why the hell is this so hard? Someone please explain how a person can set aside pretax funds to pay for a phuqqin parking space, but can’t set aside pretax funds to repay a phuqqin student loan.

Let repayment be in terms that are a percentage of their salary, sure fine. But you’re paying the schit back.

the problem now is that the cabal in the WH has not a collective clue about anything, they are all too stupid to come up with anything reasonable or designed to actually do anything for the good of the country.

Trump had better insight while he was taking a dump than these people on their best day all prettied up and staring at their devices

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Don't know about impact on the economy, but "We'll have those whiggers voting Democrat for the next 100 years."


Sorry dude, he never said that. It was 200 years. (I think 🤔)

I am not talking about Johnson and blacks.

I am referencing Biden and white trash. Indoctrinated Socialists too stupid to see the final results of their Utopia.


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Cut out the student loans and the cost of education will drop!

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Originally Posted by Switch
Cut out the student loans and the cost of education will drop!



You are right. I am a big fan of Dave Ramsey. He hates the student loan program and wants it abolished. He says, if you are broke do your first two years living in Mom's basement at the local community college, very cheap.
Then go to an in state 4 year school and you can get a good education for cheapo. Of course, you will need to work summers, full time, and part time during the school year.

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My son will get an engineering degree this spring. I’ve paid for it. He’s earned it. Would it be a good gamble for him to get a 50k loan now with the expectation that it will be forgiven? It would make a nice down payment on a home.


That's simply wrong


I have pondered this post for the last couple of days.

From a moral perspective on the surface I completely agree with you.

BUT from a higher moral perspective why should I burden myself or my young son with $100k in student loans while some other scumbag will receive forgiveness and therefore $100k advantage over myself or my son.

It's kind of like somebody robbing you with a knife, but you hand them a gun so they can do a better job at it and it will be a fair fight... for a fight to their scumbag advantage.

The higher moral perspective is for the lesson painful loan repayment to occur uniformly across all people.

Just because someone is a dumbass and chooses to get a PhD in paleobotany with an emphasis in underwater basket weaving with historic plants does not mean it's my problem to repay their loan. Obviously, they were the dumbass that chose this profession. Not me


If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.



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Originally Posted by CashisKing
Originally Posted by irfubar
Originally Posted by gregintenn
My son will get an engineering degree this spring. I’ve paid for it. He’s earned it. Would it be a good gamble for him to get a 50k loan now with the expectation that it will be forgiven? It would make a nice down payment on a home.


That's simply wrong


I have pondered this post for the last couple of days.

From a moral perspective on the surface I completely agree with you.

BUT from a higher moral perspective why should I burden myself or my young son with $100k in student loans while some other scumbag will receive forgiveness and therefore $100k advantage over myself or my son.

It's kind of like somebody robbing you with a knife, but you hand them a gun so they can do a better job at it and it will be a fair fight... for a fight to their scumbag advantage.

The higher moral perspective is for the lesson painful loan repayment to occur uniformly across all people.

Just because someone is a dumbass and chooses to get a PhD in paleobotany with an emphasis in underwater basket weaving with historic plants does not mean it's my problem to repay their loan. Obviously, they were the dumbass that chose this profession. Not me


That was not intended as a shot at either one of you gentlemen.


If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.



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Originally Posted by simonkenton7
I am a big fan of Dave Ramsey. He hates the student loan program and wants it abolished. He says, if you are broke do your first two years living in Mom's basement at the local community college, very cheap.
Then go to an in state 4 year school and you can get a good education for cheapo. Of course, you will need to work summers, full time, and part time during the school year.
There’s nothing “very cheap” about the local community college nowadays. And there’s nothing “cheapo” about an in state 4 year school either...not anymore.


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Originally Posted by Switch
Cut out the student loans and the cost of education will drop!


Correct. This whole dilemma is exactly the same as the illegal immigration problem. Treating the symptom instead of the cause. Unless they correct the problem creating all this crazy student loan debt the kids 5 or 10 years down the road will be in the same boat. Forgiving peoples debt fixes nothing with this problem, it is simply a gift to the people who receive it.

There are several options to help people pay back their OWN loans, after we fix the damn problem about predatory student loans and ridiculous college tuitions.


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