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sleeping just below timberline in -15*F temps. Had a blast...
That is cold! What bag were you using then for that? SU, at the time I had a North Face "Ibex" which, IIRC, was rated at -10*F. But having suffered through a week-long, sub zero snowshoe trip with it in December of 1976, I left it at home and brought a Snow Lion Polarguard bag with a collar and double draft flaps. Rated at -25F. Perfect for that trip, but heavy!
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Hauled my D3 all over Colorado in the 80’s, loved that pack and the places it took me to.
Razz, occasionally around here in Montana I still see some old duffer with a D3. In fact, I came across such a guy this summer in the Beartooth. We had a great conversation about the old D3! I'd still rather haul 75lbs in a D3 than in PWN's Alice... I'm not enough of a man for that sort of torture!
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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My pack doesn't look so big, but comm gear and batteries add up fast. AN/PRC-104 HF radio for calling naval gunfire. Philippines 1992, Subic Bay area. I LOVE my Seek Outside gear...….grin
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1984 at the Lost Creek trialhead near Creede, Colorado. My uncle and I packed in about 9 miles to some high country trout steams and beaver ponds for 7 days of fishing and camping. My pack was a large ALICE and was stuffed with about 75 pounds of crap. I can't believe I toted canned goods and 5 pounds of potatoes to fry with the trout we were going to catch. My uncle carried a NVA pack he used in the war on a medium ALICE. His pack was equally as heavy and he had a 6 pack of Cokes and a canned ham. I hope the two quart canteens I had strapped to the side were empty, but as young, tough and dumb as I was they were probably full. Our tent was a tarp and we slept in ponchos with liners on military pads. Travel "light" freeze at night. Damn it was fun and we caught and ate more Brookies and Cutts than you can imagine. I started 35 years ago with an Alice pack and surplus army Vietnam boots. . Still have it. I tried it the other day on a hike. Dang that thing is uncomfortable
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Odd angle on the photo or on the photo of a photo I posted. At the time I wore a size 9.5 jungle boot. I was going to ask if you ran hurdles in HS. BTW - Great picture. I WANTTA GO!
They say everything happens for a reason. For me that reason is usually because I've made some bad decisions that I need to pay for.
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Great post. In 1975 I ordered the "Great Bloody Sack" Trailwise backpack and a pair of mountain boots with red laces. the boots themselves probably weighed 3 lb a piece. A buddy and I loaded up with chow and gear to go camp for a couple days up the side of a mountain... I carried 5 GALLONS of water in the backpack in addition to all my other gear. Crazy the stuff we do when we are young and dumb... needless to say we didn't run out of water
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Should have taken beer.
You can do everything with beer that you can do with water.
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
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Should have taken beer.
You can do everything with beer that you can do with water.
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Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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I packed in this year for a deer hunt and killed on the second day. It seemed like a good idea to bring the deer out in on trip, along with everything I took in. You couldn’t fit a toothpick in that pack after it was loaded. I had to drag it to a downhill slope, put it on with my feet below me, and then roll over and use a tree to help me get up. You don’t realize how ill fitting a pack is until it’s loaded beyond its capacity. The pack coming out weighed between 120 and 130 pounds. I REALLY wanted to sit down and take a break on the way out, but I couldn’t find a place that I was comfortable trying to sit without falling. I ended up using my truck tailgate to help me get the pack off. My shoulders were shot for 2 days after since the waist belt didn’t fit correctly and it put far too much weight on my upper body. Probably won’t do that again, but I’m looking for a better pack before next year.
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Packing in on a goat hunt with my brother. I was 14 and tougher back then. Had a homemade sleeping bag that must have weighed 20 lbs itself.
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Made many a trip into the Sierras using a Trapper Nelson.
Old Corps
Semper Fi
FJB
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Made many a trip into the Sierras using a Trapper Nelson. Poor bastard.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Made many a trip into the Sierras using a Trapper Nelson. Old, old school by 4 to 5 generations of gear.
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
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Made many a trip into the Sierras using a Trapper Nelson. Poor bastard. I was a lot younger and poorer back then. Couldn't afford a Kelty. Got 2 BSA 50 Miler Awards (and a Historic Trail) with that pack, and I still have it.
Old Corps
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Even when I was young, I didn't like carrying a heavy pack. I started backpacking in the late 1950s and I learned quickly that 35# was my comfort threshold.
I made three climbs on Mount McKinley. Each time I carried three weeks of food and fuel plus climbing gear and a big 4-season tent. Total load was about 100# but I split that up between a 50# backpack and 50# in a sled.
Now I carry about 25# on a weekend recreational trip. When hunting I carry about 40#. That includes rifle, ammo and stuff for field dressing.
Wind in my hair, Sun on my face, I gazed at the wide open spaces, And I was at home.
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Thankfully most of us tend to get smarter as we get older. I recall some real questionable stuff getting taken along when I was a teenager. One guy I was backpacking with packed in a whole watermelon, along with a jar of peanut butter etc etc. Heaviest pack I've ever seen anyone carry on a wilderness back pack trip. And this was in some seriously steep terrain over a pretty good distance. When I shot my first bull elk I put one quarter in my Jansport D2 and one on top thinking I'd pack them both out together, wrong, couldn't even pick up the pack:) I weighed about 150lbs at the time. Was in pretty good shape but not as strong as I wished I was. Had to rethink that one.
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Now I carry about 25# on a weekend recreational trip. That puts you about 8-10 pounds lighter than I carry. I'm stuck at about 32-33 pounds. I'm kind of curious what our differences are. Are you carrying any fishing tackle included in the 25 pounds? What about gun or ammo? Camera? What clothing goes into the pack weight vs what are you omitting from the weight because you're wearing it?
Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip.
Here be dragons ...
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Now I carry about 25# on a weekend recreational trip. That puts you about 8-10 pounds lighter than I carry. I'm stuck at about 32-33 pounds. I'm kind of curious what our differences are. Are you carrying any fishing tackle included in the 25 pounds? What about gun or ammo? Camera? What clothing goes into the pack weight vs what are you omitting from the weight because you're wearing it? On a summer recreational backpack trip I don't carry a firearm, too heavy. I do carry a lightweight spin casting rig with dry flies. Food is mostly freeze-dried and dehydrated. I use to carry a lightweight point-n-shoot camera. But then I decided to move into the 21st century and I got a smart phone. Generally MS Excel spread sheets don't copy & paste too well. Let's see how this one works. WEAR the FOLLOWING (not included in 25# total weight) Briefs -Synthetic "T" Shirt - Synthetic with pocket Trousers - 95% Nylon, 5% Spandex Shirt - wool/synthetic, long sleeves, pockets Cabelas Hiking Boots - Oboz Bridger Socks - SmartWool Ball Cap Adjustable Sunglasses - Polarized, Wrap Around BRING the FOLLOWING in your pack (this is what I weigh) Backpack - KUIU Ultra 5500 Sleeping Bag - Western Mountaineering Alpinlite 20° Air Mattress - Thermarest NeoAir Foam Mattress - closed cell, lightweight Ensolite or equivalent Pillow - Empty Stuff Sack or Inflatable Pillow Thermarest Cup- Titanium (Nalgene fits inside) Bowl - Non-breakable, lightweight Water Boiler - 16 oz.or 20 oz., lightweight Halulite Camp Stove - MSR Pocket Rocket or Optimus Crux Fuel Canister - 8 ounce volume, Isobutane Water Filter - Katadyn Hiker Pro Canteen - Nalgene Bottle 1 liter Pee Bottle - 1 quart, similar to Nalgene but with lug cap Tent - MSR Hubba Hubba NX-2 First Aid Kit - small personal kit Fire Kit - Matches, Lighter, Fire Sticks, Tinder Paper Ditty Kit - Flashlight or Headlamp, Bandanna, Victorinox Swiss Army knife, woven Nylon Chord Map - USGS Compass - Silva (carry in Ditty Klit) Smart Phone - with GPS/USGS Satellite Mapping Program Hygiene Kit - Toothbrush, Tooth Paste, Soap Parka - Arcteryx/Goretex (actually works the way it's supposed to) Hoodie - fleece Puffer Jacket Socks - Smartwool Knitted Hat Gloves, lightweight Food Snacks I always weigh my pack. If it weighs more than 25#, then I remove something.
Wind in my hair, Sun on my face, I gazed at the wide open spaces, And I was at home.
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Glacier travel requires gear. Its not light. I had a 200lb pack from the top part of Barnard glacier down to the strip. I figure that I had 100lbs of goat meat, 40lbs cape and skull and then my gear and food. That was probably with water. Stone Glacier 7400 Sky BD Eldorado OR Bivy Thermarest Neolite XLite WM Badger Microfiber not GWS Garmin Explorer + 85mm Diascope Slik 634 Tripod with Jim White 3W panhead Nosler 48 TGR 26 Nosler + Vortex Viper 3-18X50mm 10 Rounds of 129XLR Barnes BD Cyborg Footfangs BD Trail tracking poles BD Raven Iceaxe Kuiu Yukon Shell Sitka Down puffer Kuiu attack pants 3 pairs of Farm to Feet socks Swaro 10X42 ELs FieldPros Kill kit with TAG Bomb Bag, OR folding saw, + hultafors utility knife and stone Benchmade Barrage M390 Steel blade Apocalypse Design Musher hat First Lite Merino Wool tops and bottoms Cheap painters overwhites 100 of 5mm accessory rope 2 Liberty Mt Carabiners Jetboil Minimo + 230 Gram Jetboil Isobutane cannister 20lbs of MH and other various Seeker Soaker rubber 2L waterbottle with inline filter(micro sawyer) from Camelbak noozle 2lbs of Salt was gone by the end of three days. Boots were Zamberlan Ibex GTs
It took me two days to get from where I started to the strip at the bottom. It was a one trip wonder. I have packed heavier packs but not for 24miles of glacier country which isn't easy.
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72 lbs including rifle and “Deuce Gear”: I only did that because it was my first cold-weather backpacking hunt with my, then 9-yr-old, son, and wanted to make sure I was overprepared. In my 20s, I would carry up to a hundred pounds on/in my Alice pack and Deuce Gear, including a full-sized hatchet and HEAVY military sleeping bag. No more. I usually end up between 50-55 lbs. To the OP, I hiked that Lost Creek trail many times starting at six years old, but haven’t been back since the 2002 Hayman Fire. I carried 90 lbs up to this above-tree-line solo elk hunting camp two years ago, but I did it with two 45-lb packs because the distance wasn’t too great. Brought a lot of propane and a radio to listen to the MLB playoffs at night.
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