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I'm starting the process of building a LH AR for my boys to hunt deer with here in IN (6X45 or 25-45 Sharps). This would be mostly used out of a ladder stand or ground blind with a provided rest.
I've never really been around ARs and so don't have a good frame of reference as to how long they compared to a bolt action. For now the boys share a RAR 243 with a listed overall length of 42". It looks like with the same length barrel that an AR would be comparable in length to the RAR. Am I reading the specs correctly? If so, I'm sorta leaning towards at least a 20" barrel and would not shy away from even slightly longer. For those that use ARs for similar uses, I'd be interested in the barrel lengths you used and why.
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To me, anything over 20" starts becoming too long. Ive had 22 and 24" long ars and got rid of them. Your thread reminded me of the shop i was in yesterday. They had 3 left hand complete uppers hanging up on the wall. One was a 7.62x39 and I damned near bought it for $450.00. All 3 were stag. The rest of one wall was lined up with stag rifles. Obviously they were a stag dealer or something. Was nice to see so many ars in one shop. I ended up buying a box of 165gr TTSX and a radian raptor charging handle. The other shop I visited only had 8 ars. All lower end stuff like PSA, and diamondback. Good luck with your left hand build for your boys.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Pointer,
I have two 6x45 uppers, a 16" and a 22".
The 16's a lot more handy, but the 22's where I want to be velocity wise for hunting.
For kids, adjustable stocks are great. As for length, my kids prefer the 16" just because it's so much more handy for them.
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IMO, 20” is kinda the sweet spot “compromise” on maximizing velocity and minimizing noise.
I’ve got 2 bull-barreled AR’s that are identical, with the exception that one is a 16”, and one is a 20”. If you blindfolded me, and had me shoot both, I could identify them not only by the noise level THEN, but also by the ringing in my ears 4 hours later.
The extra 4” makes a HUGE difference in taming the noise, or, at least, what gets to your ears.
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This would be mostly used out of a ladder stand or ground blind with a provided rest.
That's generally pretty close shooting, given those circumstances, & surely doesn't sound like beanfield stuff.................so 16" or 18" at the most. Even if it was beanfield, out to at least 500 yards, either is still fine as the scope then becomes the weak link. More is just simply not needed, but you can probably make yourself believe it is if you want to., I'd also do an M4 stock configuration as well, SOPMOD version from whoever you like best. And I'd build it in 6 ARC, assuming you can lay some ammo or brass (& primers) in. JMHO, YMMV MM
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And I'd build is in 6 ARC, assuming you can lay some ammo or brass (& primers) in.
With a 6x45 all you need is what you already have for a .223, plus dies and 6mm bullets. Just saying....
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if you go with the 25-45 you will need at least a 20 inch barrel to get the velocity it is capable of. i have one now in 18" and can not get the top velo where i had one in 22 inches and could get the 3k it is supposed to do. 87g bullets just do a smack down on every deer i have used them on. ymmv.
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And I'd build is in 6 ARC, assuming you can lay some ammo or brass (& primers) in.
With a 6x45 all you need is what you already have for a .223, plus dies and 6mm bullets. Just saying.... As ol buddy. How easy is it to get said dies and who makes them? Lets say I want to buy an RCBS die set for 6x45. Also, is there a company that twists a barrel for use with heavies like the arc is designed for. Also, how fast will a 6x45 spit out said heavies? Im talking 108gr hornady match bullets and the like. Just curious.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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And I'd build is in 6 ARC, assuming you can lay some ammo or brass (& primers) in.
With a 6x45 all you need is what you already have for a .223, plus dies and 6mm bullets. Just saying.... As ol buddy. How easy is it to get said dies and who makes them? Lets say I want to buy an RCBS die set for 6x45. Also, is there a company that twists a barrel for use with heavies like the arc is designed for. Also, how fast will a 6x45 spit out said heavies? Im talking 108gr hornady match bullets and the like. Just curious. I bought my Forster dies from Midway. They have RCBS and Redding sets, and some individual Forster dies in stock now. Columbia River Arms, formerly Black Hole Weaponry will twist them in 1x8. So, easy peasy.
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I like the 18 in.barrel for my hunting rifles.
I have a Grendel and a 25-45 and have not been bothered by that little bit of speed i might be missing.
With Leveroultion in the Grendel with 100-120 grain bullets and AA2200 in the 25-45 with the 87 grain bullets just get the job done.
They are handy in a deer blind.
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And I'd build is in 6 ARC, assuming you can lay some ammo or brass (& primers) in.
With a 6x45 all you need is what you already have for a .223, plus dies and 6mm bullets. Just saying.... As ol buddy. How easy is it to get said dies and who makes them? Lets say I want to buy an RCBS die set for 6x45. Also, is there a company that twists a barrel for use with heavies like the arc is designed for. Also, how fast will a 6x45 spit out said heavies? Im talking 108gr hornady match bullets and the like. Just curious. I bought my Forster dies from Midway. They have RCBS and Redding sets, and some individual Forster dies in stock now. Columbia River Arms, formerly Black Hole Weaponry will twist them in 1x8. So, easy peasy. Thanks buddy. That is a very viable option then.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The 6x45 is a POS in an AR and the 25x45 even more so. You sure as fhuqk are not going to be launching ARC-esque BC's,if only fhuqking OBVIOUSLY...due the huge differences in case length. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. STUPIDITY isn't an "option",but rather a plight and them differences are stark. Hint. laughing! Bless your hearts for doing your best though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/Syr3rL.png) Pass the 224 and 243 Grendel and hold the Fluff. I've multiples of each,that are stellar at 20". Hint...............
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The 6x45 is a POS in an AR and the 25x45 even more so. You sure as fhuqk are not going to be launching ARC-esque BC's,if only fhuqking OBVIOUSLY...due the huge differences in case length. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. STUPIDITY isn't an "option",but rather a plight and them differences are stark. Hint. laughing! Bless your hearts for doing your best though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Pass the 224 and 243 Grendel and hold the Fluff. I've multiples of each,that are stellar at 20". Hint............... Think again: Let's compare Hornady's data for the 6 ARC to the 6x45 loaded to 5.56 pressures. 18"
Cartridge : 6 x 45mm
Bullet : .243, 90, Hornady ELD-X 2441
Useable Case Capaci: 24.350 grain H2O = 1.581 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 18.0 inch = 457.2 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
33 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
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Alliant AR-Comp *C *T 110.0 23.9 1.55 2722 100.0 60972 8206 0.888 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 105.6 25.5 1.65 2716 97.2 61000 9082 0.890 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 108.3 26.5 1.72 2714 96.1 61000 9265 0.894 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 109.0 25.8 1.67 2707 98.0 61000 8937 0.902 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 110.0 24.7 1.60 2688 95.5 60792 9059 0.903 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 100.2 24.6 1.59 2683 98.6 61000 8703 0.898 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 106.4 23.2 1.50 2683 99.3 61000 8502 0.895 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 100.0 23.2 1.50 2683 99.3 61000 8502 0.895 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 108.0 25.9 1.68 2683 94.5 61000 9011 0.896 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 110.0 24.2 1.57 2676 99.8 57074 8781 0.945 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 110.0 24.7 1.60 2674 94.7 60504 8992 0.906 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C 105.7 23.9 1.55 2666 96.4 61000 8728 0.901 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 110.0 25.4 1.65 2664 97.5 57686 8848 0.924 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 110.0 25.4 1.65 2664 97.5 57686 8848 0.924 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C 103.7 22.0 1.42 2657 100.0 61000 8028 0.912 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 108.1 24.3 1.57 2657 96.3 61000 8631 0.902 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 103.8 25.0 1.62 2657 97.3 61000 8579 0.915 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 103.5 25.0 1.62 2657 97.3 61000 8579 0.915 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C 110.0 24.3 1.57 2652 98.4 58593 8633 0.918 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 105.7 24.2 1.57 2649 99.2 61000 8254 0.902 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 106.7 22.9 1.48 2644 100.0 61000 7971 0.916 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus 101.8 24.5 1.59 2642 97.2 61000 8407 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
Now scroll down to the 90gr bullets in the ARC. https://www.hornady.com/assets/site/hornady/files/load-data/6mm-arc-gas-58-105gr-data.pdfSince I know you're a velocity hound, here what the 22" barrel looks like at 5.56 pressures:
Cartridge : 6 x 45mm
Bullet : .243, 90, Hornady ELD-X 2441
Useable Case Capaci: 24.350 grain H2O = 1.581 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
33 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
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Winchester 748 105.6 25.5 1.65 2827 98.3 61000 7174 1.010 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 108.3 26.5 1.72 2826 97.4 61000 7360 1.014 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T 110.0 23.9 1.55 2821 100.0 60977 6369 1.008 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 109.0 25.8 1.67 2815 98.9 61000 7031 1.022 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 110.0 24.7 1.60 2799 96.8 60794 7198 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 108.0 25.9 1.68 2793 96.0 61000 7176 1.018 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 100.2 24.6 1.59 2790 99.4 61000 6861 1.020 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 106.4 23.2 1.50 2787 99.8 61000 6666 1.016 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 100.0 23.2 1.50 2787 99.8 61000 6666 1.016 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 110.0 24.7 1.60 2784 96.1 60506 7157 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 110.0 24.2 1.57 2784 100.0 57077 6832 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C 105.7 23.9 1.55 2773 97.6 61000 6924 1.023 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 110.0 25.4 1.65 2773 98.6 57689 6978 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 110.0 25.4 1.65 2773 98.6 57689 6978 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 108.1 24.3 1.57 2764 97.5 61000 6842 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 103.5 25.0 1.62 2763 98.3 61000 6768 1.038 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 103.8 25.0 1.62 2763 98.3 61000 6768 1.038 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 *C 110.0 24.3 1.57 2759 99.2 58596 6811 1.041 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C 103.7 22.0 1.42 2756 100.0 61000 6250 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 105.7 24.2 1.57 2751 99.8 61000 6483 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 101.8 24.5 1.59 2746 98.2 61000 6635 1.037 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World AR Plus 101.8 24.5 1.59 2746 98.2 61000 6635 1.037 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 106.7 22.9 1.48 2742 100.0 61000 6195 1.040 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 *C 99.7 21.9 1.42 2738 100.0 61000 6086 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 102.5 24.9 1.61 2738 96.8 61000 6678 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 110.0 24.7 1.60 2734 95.0 54221 7238 1.068 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C 106.7 25.8 1.67 2733 92.6 61000 6919 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C 104.3 25.0 1.62 2732 95.8 61000 6755 1.033 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 100.1 23.2 1.50 2729 98.2 61000 6567 1.033 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 *C 110.0 24.2 1.57 2729 97.1 58220 6856 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 *C 110.0 26.9 1.74 2725 92.5 54825 7287 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 106.6 24.3 1.57 2723 93.9 61000 6748 1.031 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 110.0 23.1 1.50 2721 99.6 51417 6813 1.081
ADI BM2 97.9 23.4 1.52 2720 98.2 61000 6505 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 106.3 23.5 1.52 2719 98.0 61000 6510 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 110.0 26.3 1.70 2719 94.0 54413 7142 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Tactical Rifle 100.5 24.0 1.56 2713 97.0 61000 6491 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 102.6 20.6 1.34 2708 100.0 61000 5756 1.025 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 109.1 23.8 1.54 2706 96.1 61000 6536 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 97.8 20.5 1.33 2705 100.0 61000 5717 1.039 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 *C 110.0 25.0 1.62 2703 98.6 54478 6824 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 108.2 24.0 1.56 2698 96.5 61000 6463 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 *C 110.0 24.7 1.60 2698 93.8 53123 7071 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680 89.1 20.9 1.35 2698 100.0 61000 6018 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 *C 106.1 22.3 1.44 2697 100.0 61000 5876 1.040 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-7 96.8 21.0 1.36 2695 100.0 61000 5820 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 76.8 18.5 1.20 2691 100.0 61000 5665 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B *C 110.0 24.7 1.60 2686 94.3 51902 7053 1.090
Shooters World Buffalo Rifle 87.0 18.3 1.18 2686 100.0 61000 5831 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 85.0 18.3 1.18 2686 100.0 61000 5831 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D060 87.0 18.3 1.18 2686 100.0 61000 5831 1.032 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 98.4 20.7 1.34 2678 99.6 61000 5926 1.034 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE BLK *C 96.5 23.0 1.49 2678 97.4 61000 6280 1.042 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Blackout 81.8 19.2 1.24 2656 100.0 61000 5531 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D063 81.8 19.2 1.24 2656 100.0 61000 5531 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 *C 100.4 20.6 1.33 2655 100.0 61000 5306 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 *C 110.0 22.6 1.46 2653 100.0 56532 5916 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N125 *C 94.8 19.8 1.28 2649 100.0 61000 5302 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4227 92.7 19.0 1.23 2649 100.0 61000 5347 1.039 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Precision 110.0 24.0 1.56 2647 95.9 51489 6720 1.106
Lovex S062 110.0 24.0 1.56 2647 95.9 51489 6720 1.106
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Here's a visual. top - 22" Ruger American middle - 20" AR rifle bottom - 16" AR carbine ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/TeBGaW2.jpg)
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Fhuqktard, I realize that you "get" to "shoot" your Imagination and Pretend ala Google and how very fhuqking "exciting" that must be for you. Hint. Congratulations?!? A .243" 90 grainer,is certainly no 105 or 108,nor do it require 8" RPM and the 6x45 remains a pile of fhuqking schit in an AR due COAL "latitude". Pardon my actually shooting said chamberings in multiple platforms and the simplistic FACT that the aforementioned 224 and 243 Grendels CRUSH all things of like diameter on the 223 case,due the increase in case capacity and miles of COAL advantages. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Now you can say you've "seen" same,you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. LAUGHING! ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/CtOs0s.jpg) ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/DKmwgQ.jpg) The .243" 90 ELD X is simply a great way to add mass to the equation and pilfer BC(.409),as the venerable .224" 75 Hornie HPBT stomps it handily in a Vanilla fhuqking 223. That whether in AR confines or otherwise. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. LAUGHING! In fairness,I've not received a 22" 224 PPC Fhuqking Improved Krunchenticker spout since yesterday(6.5" RPM). Hint. LAUGHING! ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/Bxuwab.jpg) Now house a 270 in a Turnbolt where COAL availability exceeds 2.500" and it will do rather nice thangs,whether in MTU contour or a Montucky dupe,which I just "happen" to shoot. Hint. 19" Bart' here. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/SGuIpz.jpg) 18" Bart' here. Hint. ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/903/jpOQom.jpg) Nor have I heard of the barrels you are trying to talk about. hint. LAUGHING! ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/TDtAXq.jpg) Be SURE to "tell" me "more",as you gawk .243" 105gr .530 BC Krunchenticker Smooches at 2650fps from a 20". Hint. LAUGHING! ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/924/itWuy8.jpg) ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/0RtFab.jpg) ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/923/TvPCIY.jpg) You CLUELESS Drooling Dumbfhuqks are a hoot! Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Hint. LAUGHING! Bless your heart,for doing your best. Hint. LAUGHING!...................
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Fhuqktard, I realize that you "get" to "shoot" your Imagination and Pretend ala Google and how very fhuqking "exciting" that must be for you. Hint. Congratulations?!? A .243" 90 grainer,is certainly no 105 or 108,nor do it require 8" RPM and the 6x45 remains a pile of fhuqking schit in an AR due COAL "latitude". Pardon my actually shooting said chamberings in multiple platforms and the simplistic FACT that the aforementioned 224 and 243 Grendels CRUSH all things of like diameter on the 223 case,due the increase in case capacity and miles of COAL advantages. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. Now you can say you've "seen" same,you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. LAUGHING! The .243" 90 ELD X is simply a great way to add mass to the equation and pilfer BC(.409),as the venerable .224" 75 Hornie HPBT stomps it handily in a Vanilla fhuqking 223. That whether in AR confines or otherwise. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint. LAUGHING! In fairness,I've not received a 22" 224 PPC Fhuqking Improved Krunchenticker spout since yesterday(6.5" RPM). Hint. LAUGHING! Now house a 270 in a Turnbolt where COAL availability exceeds 2.500" and it will do rather nice thangs,whether in MTU contour or a Montucky dupe,which I just "happen" to shoot. Hint. 19" Bart' here. Hint. 18" Bart' here. Hint. Nor have I heard of the barrels you are trying to talk about. hint. LAUGHING! Be SURE to "tell" me "more",as you gawk .243" 105gr .530 BC Krunchenticker Smooches at 2650fps from a 20". Hint. LAUGHING! You CLUELESS Drooling Dumbfhuqks are a hoot! Gals who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,will ALWAYS be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Hint. LAUGHING! Bless your heart,for doing your best. Hint. LAUGHING!................... I hope that made you feel better. Maybe now you won't need a handle of whiskey to drown you sorrows for the rest of the weekend.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Snipper, Only you,can prevent YOU from saying something fhuqking STUPID and I rather enjoy the FACT,that you can't even manage that "much"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? You CLUELESS Drooling Fhuqktards are a hoot! Hint. LAUGHING! Fortunately for you,Imagination and Pretend are free,so you can "afford" to "contribute". Not "much" new here,since yesterday. Hint. LAUGHING! ![[Linked Image from imagizer.imageshack.com]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/LIv98p.jpg) Bless your heart for doing the best you can,with what INCREDIBLY fhuqking little you "have" to "work" with! Looking forward to your next Google!!! Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!!!................
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Thanks everyone for the input/info. MM that picture is VERY helpful.
The way our property is set up, about 270yds is as far as we can shoot and I think any of the 223 based rounds will handle that well enough. FWIW, in IN to be legal for deer the bullet has to be .243" or larger.
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So funny when normal people try to reason with idiots. LOL
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The way our property is set up, about 270yds is as far as we can shoot and I think any of the 223 based rounds will handle that well enough. FWIW, in IN to be legal for deer the bullet has to be .243" or larger. I'd be hard pressed to think of a .223-based round that couldn't handle that. Probably be on the outside of a 350 Legend, but not by much. If you know your ranges to within 20 yards on the far side of 200, it could handle 270 then too. The 350 probably has the worst ballistics of any 223 based cartridge.
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