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Greetings to all, and thanks for taking time to read this. I have not been a frequent poster here for some years, as life has taken those turns that we all sometimes have. recently, my FIL passed and I was asked to sell some items for him. Among them are these two BP pistols. He bought these (I can only guess) in the 1980's as display items. they have never been fired, and have only had the hammers cocked once, if that, as the owner was very meticulous about these, and did not want the cylinder scratch on them that I am sure y'all are familiar with.

The round barrel "1860"(?) has what looks like serial numbers stamped on the frame, and it's only marking is "BLACK POWDERONLY/MADE IN ITALY/44CAL."

The Octagonal Barrel has only "BLACK POWDERONLY/MADE IN ITALY" marked on the flat of the barrel, with no caliber marking at all

let me apologize for the lack of pics. I got these after 4 attempts with the wife, didn't think it wise to ask for a 5th (ahem...)

So besides "Eye-talian" who do y'all think made 'em?

No, I know they are not tremendously valuable, but any idea as a to ballpark number?

bottom is a 1860 army
top is a 1851 navy most likely by Pietta. maybe sold by Traditions. very nice both. 285-325 each. maybe more in this crazy market.
are both .44's?

The market is pretty broad on the common BP 1860s and Navys - here in VA, they'd probably move at $200 -225 and probably sit for a while at $250-275.

I agree on the Traditions look of the pair, no case-coloring, so pretty standard entry level BP pistols.

But as far back as the 1980s, could be Navy Arms - but should be marked "NAVY ARMS" somewhere on the barrel - or at least mine was.

Ah64, i noticed that neither of them had any barrel addresses. most Pietta guns i have had or seen were all marked. possible they are Uberti but don't think so. maybe traditions bought a SO without roll stamps. they both have traditional scenes on cylinders.
we had a gun show here this weekend and i saw both those guns in used cond. go for more then i estimated. its crazy out there!
EG savages in 300 sav going for 2500 and up. go figure. i don't know if i should sell every thing or hoard it.

Agreed,

Late '70s through most of the 80's - just about every retailer had some form of BP revolver for sale in the chain stores and mail order.

IIRC, that included Sears and Montgomery Wards catalogs at Christmas time.

Whatever parent company information was probably only on the box they shipped in, as the supplier was probably sending them to multiple vendors.

i think i bought my first BP pistol, a Spanish made POS at woolworths in Fresno California. a different world back then.

Just a stab here, but the wood looks identical to the italian made Investarms hawkin i have.