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Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags #15720001 01/29/21
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,401 Texas R rickt300 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,401 Texas	as opposed to rear bag and bipod? Dog I rescued in January

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Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720218 01/29/21
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,107 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State F flintlocke Campfire Outfitter
flintlocke Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,107 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State	Me. Maybe a bipod is great in the dirt in the prone...but it seems to react off a hard surface of a bench...I never did a real test to tell. Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720230 01/29/21
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Bugger Campfire Outfitter Joined: May 2014 Posts: 10,407 NE South Dakota	bags are always better I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720339 01/29/21
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 14,488 North Texas RiverRider Campfire Outfitter
RiverRider Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 14,488 North Texas	When I shoot with a bipod off a bench, I put a piece of foam about 1-1/2" thick in a canvas bag under the legs. I guess it helps...but I really don't like using a bipod that way. Don't be the darkness. America will perish while those who should be standing guard are satisfying their lusts.

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720341 01/29/21
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NVhntr Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 13,234 Henderson, NV	Yes, I do. Let's Go Brandon! FJB

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Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720356 01/29/21
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,976 L lotech Campfire Regular
lotech Campfire Regular L Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,976	Protektor leather bags front and rear and a good pedestal rest like a Hart or Sinclair is better than a bipod if you're looking for the best groups.

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720380 01/29/21
Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 788 S Sam_H Campfire Regular
Sam_H Campfire Regular S Joined: Nov 2019 Posts: 788	I can screw up with either. Not consistently loading bipod. Bags not configured to match the forend. If I spend less than 30 minutes setting up, dry-fire, etc prior to 1st shot am pretty much doomed to struggle. Little things get me.

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720661 01/29/21
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,401 Texas R rickt300 OP Campfire Outfitter
OP rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,401 Texas	If I sight in with a bipod and then shoot off of a rest I can usually count on my bullets hitting a bit lower than they did off the bipod. I usually put a piece of carpet under the bipod's legs but no matter what it is easier for me to shoot tight groups off of bags. Dog I rescued in January

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15720737 01/29/21
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born B bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana
bsa1917hunter Campfire 'Bwana B Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 48,024 Battle Born	Originally Posted by rickt300 as opposed to rear bag and bipod? Same same for me.. Same as shooting over a pack too... Originally Posted by raybass I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. Originally Posted by Pharmseller You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags Bugger #15720892 01/29/21
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,368 Idaho D drover Campfire Tracker
drover Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,368 Idaho	Originally Posted by Bugger bags are always better ^^^^^^^ This nails it. 223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers. 24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.

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Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15723550 01/30/21
Joined: Nov 2018 Posts: 3,734 E ERK Campfire Tracker
ERK Campfire Tracker E Joined: Nov 2018 Posts: 3,734	Benchrest shooters don’t use bipods. Hunters use bipods. Quarter inch groups versus one inch groups. Edk

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15724865 01/30/21
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,024 SW Montana V VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger
VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger V Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,024 SW Montana	Rickt300: I quit doing comparisons MANY years ago - I proved up on the heavy sand bags being slightly superior (front and rear!) over a bi-pod rested Rifle. I recommend the heavy proper fitting sandbags to attain best groupings. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy P.S.: Heres another way to look at it - you don't see many bench rest match winners using "bi-pods"!

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags VarmintGuy #15724919 01/30/21
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana
kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Somewhere between lost and fou...	Originally Posted by VarmintGuy Rickt300: I quit doing comparisons MANY years ago - I proved up on the heavy sand bags being slightly superior (front and rear!) over a bi-pod rested Rifle. I recommend the heavy proper fitting sandbags to attain best groupings. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy P.S.: Heres another way to look at it - you don't see many bench rest match winners using "bi-pods"! Laffin... Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15725957 01/31/21
Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 202 AngierN.C. B Blueboy Campfire Member
Blueboy Campfire Member B Joined: Dec 2019 Posts: 202 AngierN.C.	Use a proper fitting sandbag in rear and a folded blanket front....off the golf cart bed (tail gate down)....very mobile and set up anywhere quick. Shop stool and you ready to go. O.B.Wallace

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags lotech #15769451 02/10/21
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,037 Not New York TBS Campfire Regular
TBS Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,037 Not New York	Originally Posted by lotech Protektor leather bags front and rear and a good pedestal rest like a Hart or Sinclair is better than a bipod if you're looking for the best groups. What he said +1

Re: Anybody else shoot better groups off of front and rear bags rickt300 #15801062 02/17/21
Joined: Oct 2019 Posts: 1,078 B Benbo Campfire Regular
Benbo Campfire Regular B Joined: Oct 2019 Posts: 1,078	When I’m doing serious load development it’s always off “benchrest” style front and rear bags. The only time I’ve gotten better groups from a bipod was with single shot pistols. I just can’t hold as steady as I used to with them. Still use bags under the grip though.

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