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All I can add is, and with apologies to Dober here, thank GOD it's almost time to start hunting, the GACK is getting thick around here!

(and I'm as guilty as the next guy!)

:-)

-jeff

I like the 7/08 with a good 140 gr bullet; mostly cause I have seen plenty of elk killed with 7mm cartridges, but only a few shot with 25's. While the smaller calibers work, I like the larger wound channels and frontal area of the 7mm's better.You'll never starve if you shoot elk with 25's; but there are better tools for the job.

A very light rifle in 458 winchester sounds about right, or possibly a 458 Lott. those are tough cows.

I think somewhere Dober wrote of having an interest in an 8mm-06 Improved. So don't feel too bad if he gets to chiding us about "gacking off" or whatever.

It is quite simple...
Poke the vitals and you have a dead animal...

Plain and simple really...

Not me, but I was gathering intel for a good bud of mine.

IMO once we get past a 06 and or a 270 for the most part it then begins to get into the want category and also into the gun gack as well.

Doesn't mean it aint fun to cuss and discuss however........

Dober

Ah HA! What he really wants is my .325 WSM, then. I knew it all along!

-jeff

It is simple. That's why it's nice to use a caliber that can reach the vitals from tough angles if need be, and make a nice big hole going through the vitals so the elk does his dyin' in the same county as you...

-jeff

Haven't popped anything larger than big deer with the .257 WBY, but have shot some at 450 yards with the 100 TSX @3600 fps muzzle velocity. They are still dead. I have a lot of experience on larger game with the 7x57 and a 160 Nosler at 2750 fps, flattened kudu, oryx, elk, etc as well as anything. A stoutly constructed .257 should work, but the 7-08 with the much heavier bullet that I know will penetrate would make me feel better. It sure won't be any harder to shoot, so that would be my choice.

Jeff-the 325 Rosie has not intrigued me a bit, I have a 338 Rosie and it is nice but in the long run not anything that truly interests me.

Always fun to play with different rounds, get them sorted out and then move them on.

Dober

I know what you mean. I tend to get bored with my "easy" guns!

I think, if I were starting all over again though and didn't already have some really nice rifles (nice shooters I mean) I'd get a Kimber .325 WSM, or else have one built on a M700 action... and maybe a .260 or 7mm-08... and that'd about do it for me. I really like .325. It's a significant notch down from .338 in recoil, which means I could house it in a lighter rifle...

Hey, speaking of such, I keep meaning to ask you what's a 7mm Mashburn?

-jeff

It's the original 7mm Magnum!
http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_printable.cfm?metallicid=487&MW=&PM=&PT=

Both will work. She will have a better time if she uses whichever one she happens to prefer for whatever reason. You will have a better time if she does, too.

Jeff: The Mashburn pre-dates the 7 rem mag and was made famous by Warren Page of Field and Stream, who hunted about everything with a Mauser action 7mm Mashburn, and a 375 Weatherby Mag.Bob Hagel also used the cartridge a lot. Famous people using it today include a guy name Mark Dobrinski from Bozeman, Montana...............


The Mashburn may very well be the theoretically "best" big 7. I would expect a 7mm on the new 375 Ruger case to be pretty close; can't wait to get one if they make it.

Thanks Bob!

Sounds interesting... though the big magnum's don't hold much appeal to me personally. Mainly I was curious because it wasn't in any of my books.

-jeff

Jeff-sorry about not getting to your Q about the Mashburn, been sort of haulin butt busy lately.

Bob has it mostly right, people like Page/Hagel/Bowman used the big 7 a lot and it was sort of the predessor to the 7 RM to my mind.

I was very fortunate to have built a relationship with one of those fellas (Hagel) and hence I started using the Mashburn way back when. I'm on my 3rd Mashburn tube now and it is fairly well on its way to Croak City Wyoming. After this season is over it'll be going to the gun Doc for a new tube.

I am sort of a sentimental (and or mental) fella and so I go in for some of the oldies. I've carried the gun a ton and just love it and shoot it fairly well, but then again anyone who picks up does so as well.

I also have a thing for the 340 and the 375 Wby, go figure eh.

Now for what Bob got wrong, he meant to say I was infamous and notorious........grins

Dober

Mark, I'm not really in the market for another magnum right now, but am curious if the numbers on the LoadData link are typical of what you're getting? They seem to better the STW which seems wrong if case capacity means anything. It's basically a 7mm-300Win correct?

Even though I never met Mr. Hagel, I'm quite sentimental (kind of a curse), and could easily be drawn to the Mashburn just to be different.

222-the info on the link is a fiar bit agressive according to my findings. I'd say that a lot of the old Mashburn info (like much of the info from the days of past) is a fair bit feisty.

With respect to the departed Bob (Hagel) I just can't go where he did. I am normally at least 100 fps off of where he went.

But then again as I get older I have pulled my ears back a fair bit from running things at top end. I no more have an interest in making a round go this or that way just to appease my ego. It is something that I've grown out of and hope that others do as well.

I do enjoy working with the "catz", always have and most likely always well as I kind of go about life a bit differently than the rest of the world.

As far as the Mashburn goes there is a cost that goes with it for sure. The dies are a cost and will set you back a fair chunk, and then there is the case forming (which is really darn easy but it is a process). So, if it is something you really wanna look into give me a pm and I will get your phone number and will call you and go thru it with you.

I find the speeds of the Mashburn to be right in between what the 7 Wby and the STW will do, and a goodly number of the STW's that I've been around wouldn't do anymore than the Mashburn.

If you've any more Q's just pm me so we don't take this thread to far off the fairway.

Dober

Thanks for the reply Mark. There's no hurry for me right now since I'm not shooting half of what I own right now. I don't have a fast 7mm however, so if I ever felt the need, I'd likey try the Mashburn first just for giggles.

Am I just corn-fused, but isn't the 7mm mag based off the .300 WM case??

Never had either one... just seems like it from brass I've picked up!

-jeff