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Varies by state, some don’t have a minimum, Whatda guys think? Jud my man, you ain't asking the right question. I have a pair of 243's that have killed 15 elk. With 100g Partitions. It's the bullet......... That simple , ehh? Which comes first, the placement or the bullet? Grin....
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If you GFY in advance, are you already f*cked?
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What is this amateur hour ???
Please tell me there are some smarter people on this forum
Nope you are the smartest one here. You’re able to kill elk with “widely accepted” axioms and 4 digit numbers taught to you by other adults 40 years ago. Amazing.
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Now we are getting somewhere.
It’s getting serious when energy numbers start getting crunched...LMAO.
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Multitudes of elk are killed every year with arrows, round balls, and various other projectiles that carry nowhere near 1500fpe. Bleeding holes through important body parts are what kills stuff, not some magic amount of foot pounds. Multitudes of elk (and deer) have been left to die a slow death from inadequate weapons / bullets and pisspoor shot placement. If the shoe fits, wear it. GFY in advance! All I know is that I am impressed with the "American Redoubt" as your location. Hey there Neighbor !!!
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What is amazing is that the 1500 ft/lb doesn't eliminate most of the calibers that all you guys keep tossing out there including the 243.. it simply qualifies it's usage
Basic Terminal Ballistics knowledge would be good here
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What is this amateur hour ???
Please tell me there are some smarter people on this forum
Nope you are the smartest one here. You’re able to kill elk with “widely accepted” axioms and 4 digit numbers taught to you by other adults 40 years ago. Amazing. You should probably go read my OP it is pretty simple to understand
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Multitudes of elk are killed every year with arrows, round balls, and various other projectiles that carry nowhere near 1500fpe. Bleeding holes through important body parts are what kills stuff, not some magic amount of foot pounds. Multitudes of elk (and deer) have been left to die a slow death from inadequate weapons / bullets and pisspoor shot placement. If the shoe fits, wear it. GFY in advance! All I know is that I am impressed with the "American Redoubt" as your location. Hey there Neighbor !!! Back at ya’. Most have no clue. Happy Trails
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Basic Terminal Ballistics knowledge would be good here
Sure would. So what is the magical 1500 ft-lbs benchmark based on?
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If you GFY in advance, are you already f*cked? Good For You....
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That simple , ehh?
Which comes first, the placement or the bullet? Grin....
Good point! Shoulda’ said shoot ‘em in the front half. With a stout bullet.
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Having said that, MAGA.
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Sure would. So what is the magical 1500 ft-lbs benchmark based on?
Lol Nobody is gonna answer that, are they?
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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What is this amateur hour ???
Please tell me there are some smarter people on this forum
Nope you are the smartest one here. You’re able to kill elk with “widely accepted” axioms and 4 digit numbers taught to you by other adults 40 years ago. Amazing. You should probably go read my OP it is pretty simple to understand I did, it read like a bunch of excerpts from old Field and Stream articles.
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Jesus, do I have to do everything around here, INCLUDE drink all the beer?
It isn't 1,500 foot pounds of "kinetic energy" that kills elk. It is the KNOCK DOWN POWER.
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What is this amateur hour ???
Please tell me there are some smarter people on this forum
Nope you are the smartest one here. You’re able to kill elk with “widely accepted” axioms and 4 digit numbers taught to you by other adults 40 years ago. Amazing. You should probably go read my OP it is pretty simple to understand I did, it read like a bunch of excerpts from old Field and Stream articles. I disagree. I think it was old Outdoor Life articles.
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Jesus, do I have to do everything around here, INCLUDE drink all the beer?
It isn't 1,500 foot pounds of "kinetic energy" that kills elk. It is the KNOCK DOWN POWER. Knock down power has been thoroughly de-bunked. Unlike the magical 1500 zoot pounds delivered by a premium pill out of enough gun. Hits 'em like the Hammer of Thor. DRT!
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Jesus, do I have to do everything around here, INCLUDE drink all the beer?
It isn't 1,500 foot pounds of "kinetic energy" that kills elk. It is the KNOCK DOWN POWER. Knock down power has been thoroughly de-bunked. Unlike the magical 1500 zoot pounds delivered by a premium pill out of enough gun. Hits 'em like the Hammer of Thor. DRT! ![[Linked Image from 25.media.tumblr.com]](https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrj0u2jDCd1qz9phmo1_500.gif)
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Is that deflave, or huntsman22?
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Varies by state, some don’t have a minimum, Whatda guys think? As 1 Minute noted .24 is required in Oregon. A .243 seems to be a workable minimum for elk. Three gals in the family have used them successfully several times. I loaded up some Partitions for my youngest daughter to use but she never got to try them on elk. Several elk around here have died to .30-30's. The two guys I personally know who have killed the most bulls (47 and 16 respectively) both used .270 Winchesters....Seems to work. In my case, I have never used anything smaller than a .308 Winchester or heavier than a .338 Winchester Magnum. I would have trouble opening up on an unwounded elk with a .243. I guess I am a hypocrite. I would use my 6.5 Sweede and 6.5 Creedmoors without much concern. I am also certain a .300 Savage would do just fine. Where we find elk tends to be pretty short ranges. I have never needed to take a shot at over 250 yards so far. That probably influences my opinion.
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