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I think flat shooting cartridges like the swift lost some of their appeal when laser rangefinders and low drag bullets became common.
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22 Creed and the 22/250 AI will kill off the Swift.
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Amazing, 57 years after its discontinuation people still debate when it will die, not only that but they continue to compare other cartridges to it. There is only 2 things that will kill the Swift, one has already happened as there is only one so called factory rifle chambered for it, Cooper. Remington produced 1 but they are deader than the Swift. When Ruger quit chambering the round the death bell was banging hard. What will really kill it is when the last of the boomers go off into the sunset. Anymore people want the newest fangled thing out there even if it doesn’t do anything different or better. 22.250 AI is only what 70 years old and dying, why because nobody chambers a factory rifle for it. 22.250 is 84 ( also known as the Original Wotkyns Swift) and going strong. Keep comparing and debating about a 86 year old cartridge.
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Not rob this thread but can a Remington 600 be rebarreled for a 220 Swift. If so I would think this would make a great varmint rifle.
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About 30 years ago I was at a gun store looking at rifles. I was wanting a designated coyote rifle. They had nothing for me. I went outside to leave when a elderly lady asked me if I could help her. I said sure. She had a few long guns in her truck she wanted to sell and needed help carrying them in. I said what you got? There was a Winchester O/U, a Ruger tang safety 220 Swift with a12x leupold scope on it and a single shot shotgun. I asked her how much for the Ruger. She said it was brand new and never fired. Her husband had bought it to go PD hunting out west but never did. She said he had bought it 20-30 years ago then. I bought it for $400 According to the serial number it was made in 1973. She is in excellent condition but has killed many animals of all shapes and sizes. I shoot Hornady SPSX 50 grain powered by 4064 in it for tiny groups.
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Swift fans are out there, just pretty quite. All busy trimming brass.....😁 Trimming brass also means brass is flowing into the neck creating thickness issues.......YIKES!!!
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At what number of rounds do people find the need to trim the Swift? I have yet to need to do it, but I am only on my 2nd loading on most of my brass. Same with the 300 H&H, another cartridges that is supposed to require more trimming. I thought I would have to trim them by now since they are on their 2nd and 3rd firing, but there is a lot of room left to grow.
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Just-a Just more BS from people who never owned either. 3 Swifts and 3 300 H&Hs in my safe. Reload just like anything else. Own 5 of these, among them a Swift and 300 H&H. Bottom one in 300 H&H Bull Gun
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At what number of rounds do people find the need to trim the Swift? I have yet to need to do it, but I am only on my 2nd loading on most of my brass. Same with the 300 H&H, another cartridges that is supposed to require more trimming. I thought I would have to trim them by now since they are on their 2nd and 3rd firing, but there is a lot of room left to grow. It all depends. Chamber, quality of brass and how hard you push it. No set rule. In my situation I neck size only until after firing 4 times, at that point I always full length size, anneal and trim the brass back to 2.20 as my swift shoots better with a little longer neck. I also have a neck turner so if the brass does thicken at the neck or I start getting the dreaded donut it’s easily taken care of. Going this route I have some Norma brass that’s on it 16th firing. At this point all I use is Norma as Remington and Winchester brass really went to sh*t as far as quality. The last of those I bought had Winchester black bag was a 30% cull rate and the Remington was worse which is a pure shame as I have some Win stuff bought around 02 that I am saving as it was just as consistent as any Norma.
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I love my 1948 vintage Winchester model 70, with a Ultra Varmint Unertle scope, 220 Swift! Lot of chucks, and a few Coyotes, went down over the years!
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I Learned a long time ago to Separate My Want's from My Needs!
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HunterShooter58: What power was (is) your Unertl Ultra-Varmint? I loved those scopes and had them in both 12 and 15 powers. Only have a few Unertls left. Wish now I had kept them all. Do have a mint perfect Unertl BV-20 and that is a gem of an optic! Sad day when Unertl went under. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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On the beach, you have some ultra cool rifles.. Awesome.. Those are worth all the plastic rifles made.. Love em..
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Yup and be back to WYO in 3 weeks to blow out the dust. Here's my custom Swift that I just found a gloss Leupie 6.5-20x40 for:
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On the beach, you have some ultra cool rifles.. Awesome.. Those are worth all the plastic rifles made.. Love em.. Just a heads up folks, onthebeach= larry root. Just another sock puppet of an azzhole that had to go on ignore.
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Very nice rifle. Any more details.
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Just a heads up folks, Swifty 52 = Hating troll Just another azzhole that is going on ignore. Ask any seller (well over 100) what a sac-o-sheet I am and then see what Swifty has done to advance others on the site. Middle one is also a Swift
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On the beach, you have some ultra cool rifles.. Awesome.. Those are worth all the plastic rifles made.. Love em.. Just a heads up folks, onthebeach= larry root. Just another sock puppet of an azzhole that had to go on ignore. goodbye swifty, go back to under your desk
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I have some Norma brass that’s on it 16th firing. At this point all I use is Norma. To me this makes a huge difference with the 220 Swift, not on my 16th firing but Norma brass is night and day better than my Winchester brass
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