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Stink Star,
Can 10 unarmed people kill you?
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Flav your boat sank to the bottom pages ago
but you still desperately bailing to save it..LoL.
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Flav your boat sank to the bottom pages ago
but you still desperately bailing to save it..LoL. Stink Star, Can 10 unarmed people kill you?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Can 10 unarmed people kill you?
Rioters breaking through the Capitol Building were visibly armed..what you didnt see them using implements to smash through? and who knows what they could have concealed.
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Stink Star,
Since you don't know, I'm going to explain to you.
I'm going to break down what are known as "Graham factors."
Pay attention. And answer like a reasonable person. Not a dumb fugk.
LOL
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Can 10 unarmed people kill you?
Rioters breaking through the Capitol Building were visibly armed...what you did see them using implements to smash through? and who knows what they could have concealed. The answer is a simple "yes." Next question: Does prior knowledge disseminated to officers play a part when considering which level of force would be appropriate?
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You never mentioned Graham factor before
you talked about not knowing Police SOP.
which is irrelevant...now you are in serious
damage control...But your wreck is already
on the bottom of the ocean...LoL.
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You never mentioned Graham factor before
you talked about not knowing Police SOP.
which is irrelevant...now you are in serious
damage control...But your wreck is already
on the bottom of the ocean...LoL. Yeah. You really know you're stuff. LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Flav you are way too late to the party
the free alcohol you came for is all gone.
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Flav you are way too late to the party
the free alcohol you came for is all gone.
If you don't like being called out, don't post stupid fugking schit. Stick to posting other SME's work.
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FLAV..you accepted it was a "fine shoot" based on
Capitol Police Policy which Ribka told you about.
No court or judge would accept such utter nonsense.
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FLAV..you accepted it was a "fine shoot" based on
Capitol Police Policy which Ribka told you about.
The funniest thing about all of this is how desperate you are to keep being wrong. By the way, have you ever met ribka?
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Flav. show the CF where LE Policy or SOP
has been accepted and used by a court
as the Legal Std. to determine if Deadly Force
was justified.
That's the STD you used in your fantasy world.
By the way, have you ever met ribka?
I don't need to , especially after he got the law of Illinois wrong regarding Rittenhouse , then he comes on this thread and says - "I double checked with a buddy on CP Policy and it was a good shoot , that's the law .." But (sober) reality is ...Policy is not the Law. To claim Policy is Law .is false, misleading and ignorant.
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If Trump was there with those other elected
officials, are you OK with LE capping someone's
ass with a backpack(possible IED and hidden weapons)
after defying LE commands while trying to force their
way where they clearly know they shouldn't ?
I don’t know the SOP’s for the White House or the Capitol Building. chronic Flav. F•A•I•LSOP has nothing to do with determining if Deadly Force was Legally justified with AshB. The law judges LE actions in Use of Force under Fourth Amendment ~ objective reasonableness standard ~ (1985 SCOTUS Graham v. Connor.) Legal Std. is not based on any LE agencies policy or procedure FLETC informs all who pass through on that important fact.. and that includes Capitol Police. And there can be range of LE responses (to felony activity) that are deemed acceptable. An officer is not necessarily required to use the least force or avoid using Deadly Force. Totality of Circumstance needs to be factored. ie: task at hand , nature of threat , window of time , avail. manpower , avail information ,etc... So...it is not strictly carved in stone as to how an officer may be required to respond without
the benefit of "20/20 hindsight" ..and that is how the Law views it..what the officer had to deal with at the time with what he had...not what is known after the fact. Which means citing or knowing LE Policy or Procedure is irrelevant to all except bonehead CF tards. Graham v. Conner establishes standards to determine objective reasonableness in any use of force. Tennessee v. Garner establishes criteria for reasonable use of deadly force. HOWEVER Federal grounds have different rules if there are critical sources of information or other such criteria. The use of deadly force is authorized outside of standard self-defense, defense of others, etc..
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If Trump was there with those other elected
officials, are you OK with LE capping someone's
ass with a backpack(possible IED and hidden weapons)
after defying LE commands while trying to force their
way where they clearly know they shouldn't ?
I don’t know the SOP’s for the White House or the Capitol Building. chronic Flav. F•A•I•LSOP has nothing to do with determining if Deadly Force was Legally justified with AshB. The law judges LE actions in Use of Force under Fourth Amendment ~ objective reasonableness standard ~ (1985 SCOTUS Graham v. Connor.) Legal Std. is not based on any LE agencies policy or procedure FLETC informs all who pass through on that important fact.. and that includes Capitol Police. And there can be range of LE responses (to felony activity) that are deemed acceptable. An officer is not necessarily required to use the least force or avoid using Deadly Force. Totality of Circumstance needs to be factored. ie: task at hand , nature of threat , window of time , avail. manpower , avail information ,etc... So...it is not strictly carved in stone as to how an officer may be required to respond without
the benefit of "20/20 hindsight" ..and that is how the Law views it..what the officer had to deal with at the time with what he had...not what is known after the fact. Which means citing or knowing LE Policy or Procedure is irrelevant to all except bonehead CF tards. Graham v. Conner establishes standards to determine objective reasonableness in any use of force. Tennessee v. Garner establishes criteria for reasonable use of deadly force. HOWEVER Federal grounds have different rules if there are critical sources of information or other such criteria. The use of deadly force is authorized outside of standard self-defense, defense of others, etc.. Stink Star thinks the White House has to operate under the same legal standards as a Dunkin Donuts in Cleveland. Cant make this schit up. LOL
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Star thinks White House has to operate under the same legal standards as a Dunkin Donuts in Cleveland.
One more time... FLETC informs all including Capitol Police that- A court does not apply one's own particular LE agencies Policy when judging one's actions in regards to Use of Force. Policy and SOP varies between so many agencies , and is not Law. hence the benchmark Legal Std applied by courts is derived from - 4th Amendment, ~ objective reasonableness Std~. SCOTUS (1985 Graham Vs Connor.) Flav. should cite case-law where a court has used LE Policy or SOP to determine if Deadly Force was Legally justified or unjustified by LEO.
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Do you even know what SOP stands for?
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Star thinks White House has to operate under the same legal standards as a Dunkin Donuts in Cleveland.
One more time... FLETC informs all including Capitol Police that- A court does not apply one's own particular LE agencies Policy when judging one's actions in regards to Use of Force. Policy and SOP varies between so many agencies , and is not Law. hence the benchmark Legal Std applied by courts is derived from - 4th Amendment, ~ objective reasonableness Std~. SCOTUS (1985 Graham Vs Connor.) Flav. should cite case-law where a court has used LE Policy or SOP to determine if Deadly Force was Legally justified or unjustified by LEO. LOL You are a desperate dumb fugk. At best.
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Fools arguing over a shooting that never happened.
I retired from the Johns Manville asbestos pop tart factory in ‘59, and still never made the connection.—-Slumlord
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Fools arguing over a shooting that never happened. Well that's fugkin' interesting, man.
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