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Re: One hole groups, all day long? Sharpsman #15897556 03/14/21
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,955 Likes: 3 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger
Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,955 Likes: 3 Deer Park, Tx	Originally Posted by Sharpsman Big difference betwixt hunters....and shooters! Yerp. I’m a shooter first & foremost. Whether I’m good or no, it is my passion. I believe I shoot so I can reload. I hunt also & thoroughly enjoy it. But, much prefer to be at the reload & shooting bench. By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

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Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15897829 03/14/21
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 32,219 Likes: 5 Kenai Peninsula, AK L las Campfire 'Bwana
las Campfire 'Bwana L Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 32,219 Likes: 5 Kenai Peninsula, AK	I hate days like this.... This isn't too bad for a Remington 770 Walmart special with factory ammo. This is what my '98 will do - there was an adjustment between the two, two shot groups to calibrate, as noted on scope reference, 6 to 5 1/2... Last edited by las; 03/14/21. The only true cost of having a dog is its death.

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15898257 03/14/21
Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 2,386 Likes: 1 O OldGrayWolf Campfire Regular
OldGrayWolf Campfire Regular O Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 2,386 Likes: 1	I generally like a rifle that will do an inch at 100, and hold that level of accuracy to 500(5 inches at 500). Most will do that with good ammo and a competent shooter. That said, once I get a rifle shooting inch groups, after that it is a cold bore shot that concerns me. One shot, in all kinds of weather, different times of day, different ranges, different seasons. Been a long time since I needed more than one shot on game, and I credit cold bore practice for that. If that first shot goes where you want it, you won’t be needing to fire a group...

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15898275 03/14/21
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Utahunter Campfire Member U Joined: Oct 2019 Posts: 330 AMERICAN FORK	One hole groups, all day long? BULLSCHIDT!!!!! 1.5" groups, all day long??? I still doubt it. I often shoot several groups at a range sitting that are 1.5" or less, sometimes even approaching an occasional 3/4" group. But ALL DAY??? Come on, get real!!!

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15898332 03/14/21
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CCCC Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 15,608 Likes: 8 The Great Southwest	Like almost all shooters, I have never tried to have a rifle do that "all day long" - for any number of practical reasons. I will work through a variety of loadings, and sometimes try different sights/scopes with every rifle I own in trying to get it to make three holes touching at 100 yards - and sometimes beyond. Almost all will do that with enough experiment and effort and I sell those that will not do so for me. I do this for two reasons. It is highly enjoyable for me as a shooter and hobbyist. And, I need to really, really know any rifle I am going to use for its purpose. Once I truly know the rifle and have such confidence, all of the remainder is up to me in the moment of performance. That is of great personal importance. NRA Member - Life, Benefactor, Patron

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Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15898451 03/14/21
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,817 Likes: 2 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger
battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,817 Likes: 2 outside the burgh	Good chance that Clay targets and broken pieces of the same at 50 and 100...with a .22lr, from the bench and field positions....have something to do with the first shot accuracy of the real woods Deer rifles. Last edited by battue; 03/14/21. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: One hole groups, all day long? Utahunter #15898477 03/14/21
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,708 Likes: 2 S.E.Indiana J JimH Campfire Regular
JimH Campfire Regular J Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,708 Likes: 2 S.E.Indiana	Originally Posted by Utahunter One hole groups, all day long? BULLSCHIDT!!!!! 1.5" groups, all day long??? I still doubt it. I often shoot several groups at a range sitting that are 1.5" or less, sometimes even approaching an occasional 3/4" group. But ALL DAY??? Come on, get real!!! Go to a serious benchrest shoot-95% of the 5 or 10 shot groups will be all touching,and average under 1/4" center to center.

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15898531 03/14/21
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Torqued Campfire Regular T Joined: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,865 Likes: 2 Henry Co Mo	I remember the days when I was younger had better eyes,concentration and more time I strived to be very close to 1 hole groups. Now as long as I can run out groups of 1" or under at 100yds I am happy with that. The Browning a bolt 204 still hits the mark though. 39gr bk's will make .235 groups all day long. Just because you're offended doesn't mean your right.

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15898625 03/14/21
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,817 Likes: 2 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger
battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,817 Likes: 2 outside the burgh	Early this AM looked out bedroom window and there were 6 Deer in the front yard, at around 30 yards..dropped the hammer on all six. I’ll tell you for a fact, they never moved....and from a rifle that has never shot three touching. Horrible first shot shooting, since they will probably be back tomorrow some time.. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: One hole groups, all day long? battue #15898892 03/14/21
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OldGrayWolf Campfire Regular O Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 2,386 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by battue Good chance that Clay targets and broken pieces of the same at 50 and 100...with a .22lr, from the bench and field positions....have something to do with the first shot accuracy of the real woods Deer rifles. Ha! That’s a fact. Taught my kids that way, can bust four of five reliably at that range with the G17, myself. Amazing the number of folks who I tell about busting clays at 100 with a pistol, just assume I mean flying ones.😂

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Re: One hole groups, all day long? Sharpsman #15899118 03/14/21
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OP geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,210 Likes: 27 Texas	Originally Posted by Sharpsman Big difference betwixt hunters....and shooters! I don't see the two as being mutually exclusive. Just fer schitz n' giggles.......... The 6.5 PRC was factory fodder. The 376 Steyr and 300 Win were handloads I worked up. Browning Long Range Max. 6.5 PRC Cold bore check for zero @ 200 Steyr Professional, 376 Steyr my handloads, x 100 yds. 200 yds cold bore check for zero Rem 700 Custom Shop, 300 Win Mag 12/19 11/20 ya! GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: One hole groups, all day long? PSE #15899196 03/14/21
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 32,219 Likes: 5 Kenai Peninsula, AK L las Campfire 'Bwana
las Campfire 'Bwana L Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 32,219 Likes: 5 Kenai Peninsula, AK	Originally Posted by PSE I'm much more impressed with someone who shoots 10 shots in one go into a 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 inch group than someone who occasionally gets a .5 MOA group with 3 shots. This of course at 100 yd and no flyers dismissed. 3 shots is starting to become the accepted norm because it's much easy to get a tighter group with a small sample. The all day - every day that people like to tack on to their declaration is also an eye roller. True this. But how many times does a hunter need to shoot 3 times at an animal, much less 10 ( OK- that's happened to me twice. Sue me! And the guns were both well within acceptable parameters.) Lots of truth in nearly every post here. The only true cost of having a dog is its death.

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15899404 03/14/21
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DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,246 Likes: 33 In the Swamps	Gee, is that “cold bore” or “cold boar”? I’m confused. Maybe using a cold bore to make a boar cold? I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: One hole groups, all day long? las #15899439 03/14/21
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,246 Likes: 33 In the Swamps DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna
DigitalDan Campfire Kahuna Joined: May 2004 Posts: 56,246 Likes: 33 In the Swamps	Quote But how many times does a hunter need to shoot 3 times at an animal, much less 10 ( OK- that's happened to me twice. Back when I was younger and quite a bit faster I sometimes shot almost 70 times per second at animals, but in my defense it was done without sights. I am..........disturbed. Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain

Re: One hole groups, all day long? DigitalDan #15899778 03/14/21
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AJ300MAG Campfire Ranger A Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 15,883 MBS, MI	Originally Posted by DigitalDan Back when I was younger and quite a bit faster I sometimes shot almost 70 times per second at animals, but in my defense it was done without sights. Were you yelling "GET SUM" during the process?

Re: One hole groups, all day long? las #15899843 03/14/21
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mathman Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 44,911 Likes: 13	Originally Posted by las True this. But how many times does a hunter need to shoot 3 times at an animal, much less 10 ( OK- that's happened to me twice. Sue me! And the guns were both well within acceptable parameters.) I don't see that as the real question. To me it's what type and how much shooting will accurately predict the size of the zone (around the desired POI) into which your first shot will fall.

Re: One hole groups, all day long? DigitalDan #15900024 03/15/21
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gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,296 Likes: 6 Oklahoma	Originally Posted by DigitalDan Gee, is that “cold bore” or “cold boar”? I’m confused. Maybe using a cold bore to make a boar cold? I had some cold shoat on a sandwich yesterday. Trump Won!

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15900194 03/15/21
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hanco Campfire Savant Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 152,451 Likes: 49 Texas	An inch or less, I’m way happy for my type of hunting.

Re: One hole groups, all day long? LoadClear #15900262 03/15/21
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska	Originally Posted by LoadClear Ive rarely shot a one hole group at 100 yards, but I have shot a sub 36" group over 20 rounds with an off the rack M-16 with standard peep sights and 62g SS109 standard ammo while shooting from the prone unsupported position... at 600 meters. Thats not bad at all. I generally shot 20 shot groups 12 inches of less with a sling at that range, but that was my gun and my ammo. Rack gun and ball ammo you get fliers all over and a horrible trigger. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: One hole groups, all day long? geedubya #15900270 03/15/21
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CashisKing Campfire Ranger C Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 22,055 Likes: 18 Anywhere people are Less Stupi...	Originally Posted by geedubya Seems somewhere, on more than one occasion I've heard the remark from a fellow that declares his over-the-counter Remchester will shoot 1 hole groups all day long. I've owned quite a few production and semi-custom rifles as well as a few full custom's that others had commissioned and then sent down the road. I know, in my old age, that I do not seem to have the ability to concentrate that I did when I was younger. Having said that, in the last 30 years that I have been reloading for hunting, using rifles described above to kill stuff, and developing loads for that purpose, I've found that for me, one hole groups at any time are an anomaly, much less all day long? What is your expectation/experience in that regard, and what do you consider acceptable accuracy for hunting, say 300 yds. and under?? Asking for me, not a friend. Quien Sabe? GWB In a hunting situation I would be very pleased to be able to hit a softball at 300 yards consistently. That's typically my goal. At the range off of a bench I expect to do much better. For me, it is not really much more then do I feel good when the hammer falls... whether I am hunting or target shooting. If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.

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