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My buddy just shot a javalina with one and the bullet was bigger than a quarter and flat as a pancake. I would not shoot them at anything bigger than a deer and probably not even that. I just drew a muzzleloader elk tag and will be using the Barnes for that hunt. Yup. Shot a small doe at 35 yards with a 295 gr powerbelt over 120gr loose 777. Same deal. About 1/16th of an inch thick...
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Elk at 75 yds, worked great. 90 grains pyrodex
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I have killed a bunch of deer and a hand full of elk with them. I first used them when they were “Black Belts.” I use both 50 and 54 cals with 90-110gr of Pyrodex or 777.
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Notice the common theme of pancaked PB's. 100 + gr of powder. Yet if those same people were shooting pure lead , they would reduce their loads I bet. PB = pure lead. 110 gr powder behind a 295 gr PB is like shooting a 130 gr C&C bullet at 3200fps out of a 300 win mag and wonder why it came apart
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I've taken two elk, one a good sized bull, and a moose, also a good sized bull with the 295 grain pure lead Powerbelt. Always used 80 grains Pyrodex. Found the pancaked slug under the far side hide on both the elk. Never found the slug in the moose he was shot from 7 yards and the slug may have come apart. Or it may have gotten lost in the metric ton of goo inside there.
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Notice the common theme of pancaked PB's. 100 + gr of powder. Yet if those same people were shooting pure lead , they would reduce their loads I bet. PB = pure lead. 110 gr powder behind a 295 gr PB is like shooting a 130 gr C&C bullet at 3200fps out of a 300 win mag and wonder why it came apart Exactly. They work fine at lower speeds. Actually, my deer died within about 25 yards, but it was a small deer, and didn't hit any bone, to speak of.
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i got very acceptable groups with the 270 gr. Copper Bore Lock from Federal. I am just going to stick with those
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My buddy just shot a javalina with one and the bullet was bigger than a quarter and flat as a pancake. I would not shoot them at anything bigger than a deer and probably not even that. I just drew a muzzleloader elk tag and will be using the Barnes for that hunt. Yup. Shot a small doe at 35 yards with a 295 gr powerbelt over 120gr loose 777. Same deal. About 1/16th of an inch thick... 70 gr of T7 would have worked better. I'm sure you know that now. 
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Long story, but here it goes. Only bull I ever lost was with a powerbelt. Broadside at 105 yards per rangefinder. 100 grains of FFg pyro. Was shooting for tight behind shoulder but bull left meadow dragging his left left so I hit shoulder. Waited 15 minutes, reloaded and walked down to where he was. Looked in that direction and thought I saw a piece of pink trash laying there. Walked over and it was a 3" tall pile of bloody bubbles. Thought this deal is done with a good lung shot. Relatively open woods for 400 yards that direction. Never recovered him. Dunno. Maybe I'm a [bleep] tracker. No blood trail I could find. After grid searching that direction well past 400 yards for a day and a half I gave up. Nice 6x6.
I firmly believe a No Excuses would have been fatal with same hit. For me, I won't use a PB again.
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Long story, but here it goes. Only bull I ever lost was with a powerbelt. Broadside at 105 yards per rangefinder. 100 grains of FFg pyro. Was shooting for tight behind shoulder but bull left meadow dragging his left left so I hit shoulder. Waited 15 minutes, reloaded and walked down to where he was. Looked in that direction and thought I saw a piece of pink trash laying there. Walked over and it was a 3" tall pile of bloody bubbles. Thought this deal is done with a good lung shot. Relatively open woods for 400 yards that direction. Never recovered him. Dunno. Maybe I'm a [bleep] tracker. No blood trail I could find. After grid searching that direction well past 400 yards for a day and a half I gave up. Nice 6x6.
I firmly believe a No Excuses would have been fatal with same hit. For me, I won't use a PB again.
What PB did you use?
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I don't know of any lead bullet that will break bone and penetrate to boiler room. It could have been deflected by bone and then clipped one lung. A one lung elk can go a far piece. If that was a 295 gr PB, a 100gr of ffg was too much. This is why it is called a primitive hunt . You can't make muzzle loader act like a center fire rifle when shooting lead bullets.
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Long story, but here it goes. Only bull I ever lost was with a powerbelt. Broadside at 105 yards per rangefinder. 100 grains of FFg pyro. Was shooting for tight behind shoulder but bull left meadow dragging his left left so I hit shoulder. Waited 15 minutes, reloaded and walked down to where he was. Looked in that direction and thought I saw a piece of pink trash laying there. Walked over and it was a 3" tall pile of bloody bubbles. Thought this deal is done with a good lung shot. Relatively open woods for 400 yards that direction. Never recovered him. Dunno. Maybe I'm a [bleep] tracker. No blood trail I could find. After grid searching that direction well past 400 yards for a day and a half I gave up. Nice 6x6.
I firmly believe a No Excuses would have been fatal with same hit. For me, I won't use a PB again.
What PB did you use? 348 grain. I don't view 105 yards as long range and I feel a 400 grain plus No Excuses or based on my experience a 370 grain maxiball would have succeeded. No way of knowing. For me it'll be No Excuses or a .570 roundball if afforded another chance. YMMV and no issues with what others choose to use.
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Yes, I just ordered some No Excuses. No sense taking chances with PB's. Sometimes they work good but you're always thinking about the ones that failed.
Have we ever seen a No Excuses fail? I haven't.
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