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So if it is a little high at 10yds it is probably dead on at 25 30 ish. Is 40gr the max load???
That is a awesome revolver you got.
Cash purchase of 2 of em might be a good idea.
Do they switch out cylinders somewhat simliar to a 58 rem?? No background check or 4473 form either.
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So if it is a little high at 10yds it is probably dead on at 25 30 ish. Is 40gr the max load???
That is a awesome revolver you got.
Cash purchase of 2 of em might be a good idea.
Do they switch out cylinders somewhat simliar to a 58 rem?? No background check or 4473 form either. Fugg a mook up with one of those stuck in his face . 0 paper trail to it......
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3rd Model Dragoon is on my short list. There's a brand new Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon up on GunPoker right now 475 from a dealer in Texas but the prick wont sell to California which is annoying since no FFL would be required he could ship the revolver straight to me WTF?
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TRH Was their any info in the owners manual about use of BP substitute powders. Pryodex 777 Ect ect ect????
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3rd Model Dragoon is on my short list. There's a brand new Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon up on GunPoker right now 475 from a dealer in Texas but the prick wont sell to California which is annoying since no FFL would be required he could ship the revolver straight to me WTF? Dude is a moron. Could just ship and label it as lathe parts and disassrmble it if he is that paranoid....
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I've got an original 3rd Model Dragoon. Anyone know what it might be worth?
The 3rd Dragoon is a lot more massive than the 1860 Army. Metallurgy must have improved a lot.
IIRC the 1860 Army uses 40 grains of FFFg too.
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So if it is a little high at 10yds it is probably dead on at 25 30 ish. Is 40gr the max load???
That is a awesome revolver you got.
Cash purchase of 2 of em might be a good idea.
Do they switch out cylinders somewhat simliar to a 58 rem?? A la Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider? No, that's a feature of the Remington, but not the Colt, which requires you to knock a wedge out, and then remove the barrel, before you can remove the cylinder. As for the charge, I was loading 40 grains and it came up pretty high, to the point I could only compress the balls down just a little under the top edge of the chambers, so I don't know how you could put much more in there and still have room for the balls. Maybe a little more, but that's it. Two would be cool.
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3rd Model Dragoon is on my short list. There's a brand new Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon up on GunPoker right now 475 from a dealer in Texas but the prick wont sell to California which is annoying since no FFL would be required he could ship the revolver straight to me WTF? Dude is a moron. Could just ship and label it as lathe parts and disassrmble it if he is that paranoid.... No doubt!!!
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TRH Was their any info in the owners manual about use of BP substitute powders. Pryodex 777 Ect ect ect????
I never consult owners manuals, LOL. But, seriously, I think pistol grade Pyrodex, Tripple Se7ven, and other black powder substitutes should be fine. You can't put enough of it in the chambers, plus the balls, to blow it up. Just no smokeless.
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So a 58 would be a faster revolver to reload . Thats what I wondering about the colt models and their breakdown.
2 58,s and a buncha ready to rock cylinders.
Perfect.......
What about BP substitutes??? Any info on yea or nay in the owners manual for those uberti,s???
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I've got an original 3rd Model Dragoon. Anyone know what it might be worth?
The 3rd Dragoon is a lot more massive than the 1860 Army. Metallurgy must have improved a lot.
IIRC the 1860 Army uses 40 grains of FFFg too. I’m guessing quite a bit if it’s in good condition!
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So a 58 would be a faster revolver to reload . Thats what I wondering about the colt models and their breakdown.
2 58,s and a buncha ready to rock cylinders.
Perfect.......
What about BP substitutes??? Any info on yea or nay in the owners manual for those uberti,s???
Rene, I’m pretty sure Pyrodex is the only substitute powder you can use in a cap and ball Revolver.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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I've got an original 3rd Model Dragoon. Anyone know what it might be worth?
The 3rd Dragoon is a lot more massive than the 1860 Army. Metallurgy must have improved a lot.
IIRC the 1860 Army uses 40 grains of FFFg too. Oh, heck yeah. The Dragoons are about twice the size of an 1860. I can imagine how welcome the 1860 was when it replaced the Dragoons. Yes, it was due to improved metallurgy that allowed less steel to fire the heavier load behind a .454 ball or bullet in the 1860. I don't think you can quite stuff 40 grains in an 1860, though, and still have room for balls. Maybe more like 35 grains max.
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3rd Model Dragoon is on my short list. There's a brand new Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon up on GunPoker right now 475 from a dealer in Texas but the prick wont sell to California which is annoying since no FFL would be required he could ship the revolver straight to me WTF? That really sucks. You could get a relative in another state to buy it for ya. 😜 I highly doubt it’s illegal to ship a BP Revolver to California.
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A true horse pistol.Looks nice. Thanks. That's, in fact, what Captain Walker requested from Colt, i.e., a revolver roughly along the lines of the Patterson series (the revolver series that sunk Colt, initially, as a gun maker, due to low sales, despite having been liked by the Texas Rangers), but holding one additional round (six in total), and with sufficient power to bring down a horse with one shot, thus .44 caliber accepting a huge charge of powder in the chambers, vs the Patterson, the most powerful of which was chambered in .36 caliber. Of course, Walker requested other modifications, too, such as a trigger guard, which the Patterson lacked. In order to make it this powerful, though, due to the state of metallurgy at the time, the Walker (and the Dragoons) needed to be massive and heavy guns. Colt does make a heavy gun!
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So a 58 would be a faster revolver to reload . Thats what I wondering about the colt models and their breakdown.
2 58,s and a buncha ready to rock cylinders.
Perfect.......
What about BP substitutes??? Any info on yea or nay in the owners manual for those uberti,s???
Rene, I’m pretty sure Pyrodex is the only substitute powder you can use in a cap and ball Revolver. No Tripple Se7en FFFg? Why not?
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Colt does make a heavy gun!
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I had a Colt Walker in my hand at a Puyallup gun show ~ 12 years ago. The owner was renting a table just to show it. He said he had been offered $100k and did not take it.
I have been very happy with my Uberti peacemaker clone and my Uberti 1885Win clone.
But percussion caps are sometimes problems. The European caps can be different. The European hammers may not be deburred and pull the cap off the nipple. The European guns may allow caps to fall in the hammer slot in the frame and jam the gun.
I have a Colt 1849 Pattern made in 1854 in 0.31" caliber I paid $445 at a pawn shop in 03/01/17. I have nursed the blob of rust with missing parts back to health with parts I fitted and timed the revolver.
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I had a Colt Walker in my hand at a Puyallup gun show ~ 12 years ago. The owner was renting a table just to show it. He said he had been offered $100k and did not take it.
I have been very happy with my Uberti peacemaker clone and my Uberti 1885Win clone.
But percussion caps are sometimes problems. The European caps can be different. The European hammers may not be deburred and pull the cap off the nipple. The European guns may allow caps to fall in the hammer slot in the frame and jam the gun.
I have a Colt 1849 Pattern made in 1854 in 0.31" caliber I paid $445 at a pawn shop in 03/01/17. I have nursed the blob of rust with missing parts back to health with parts I fitted and timed the revolver.
When I get a new cap and ball revolver, I routinely change out the nipples to those made by Slixshot. That solves any cap pulling issue.
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Had an Uberti Walker some years back . . . They and the Dragoons are HEAVY shootin' irons, to say the least. Have you shot yours at dusk yet? Impressive fire flash !!! 18" or so beyond the muzzle. One of only two guns I have sold that I wish I hadn't. Good shooting, BTW.
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