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I’d ask him his thoughts on driving in the left lane while maintaining the speed limit and I’d also ask his thoughts on COVID and Joe Biden.
Then I’d decide how the rest of my day was gonna go.
The man with a solid plan! I’m sure most of us have done things others thought suicidal or reckless. I have done more than one solo Alaskan hunt . Some would call into the wilderness a foolish endeavor. It’s just a matter of semantics . Sure the margins are much thinner on Everest. But you also take a risk in Alaska if you get hurt you’re on your own. And I’d bet most hunters given the opportunity would jump at it. Judging what happens on Everest from sea level is looking through a coke bottle at best.
Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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The climber sounds like a real bozo but I would have to assist him . Good answer. Of course anyone who wastes $50k, to go risk their life, busting their ass, climbing a mountain, for the bragging rights/feeling of superiority, is Nothing like me. $50k is a lot of money I have already worked hard for. And takes more than a few weeks to save. Look around here, and their are 5k places I would rather put that to use helping people than climbing a mountain. In other words, Everone on that mountain, except the Sherpas, are Bozos.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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Hypoxia can severely affect your judgment and decision making process and you can be the last one to recognize you’re compromised.
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The climber sounds like a real bozo but I would have to assist him . Good answer. Of course anyone who wastes $50k, to go risk their life, busting their ass, climbing a mountain, for the bragging rights/feeling of superiority, is Nothing like me. $50k is a lot of money I have already worked hard for. And takes more than a few weeks to save. Look around here, and their are 5k places I would rather put that to use helping people than climbing a mountain. In other words, Everone on that mountain, except the Sherpas, are Bozos. I wouldn’t presume to know the motivation on a couple hundred people. Some people realize that until you push a limit you don’t know how far you can go. I wouldn’t assume they haven’t help people in their lives already. I say good on anyone that wants to spend their money. Look how it helps the community in Tibet .
Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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It's a known risk before the climb. Attempting a rescue is also a death sentence. There are other cases where rescues are not attempted because the rescuer will also die - fact of life. I have read that on numerous occasions.
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Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)
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While I have not bumped into many of the climbing enthusiast crowd, it seems to me that the attitudes of some resemble that of some bicyclists I know! Read the articles Muffin linked above. In there it says the real appeal of mountaineering to those who do it is because it reduces all of life’s complexities to a simple issue, an all-encompassing expedition to summit a peak. I’ve done three cross-country bicycle trips over the past seven years, and would do one every year if I could. What Ive noticed is the exact same thing; life reduced to a simple task is relaxation, even if physically arduous.
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While I have not bumped into many of the climbing enthusiast crowd, it seems to me that the attitudes of some resemble that of some bicyclists I know! Read the articles Muffin linked above. In there it says the real appeal of mountaineering to those who do it is because it reduces all of life’s complexities to a simple issue, an all-encompassing expedition to summit a peak. I’ve done three cross-country bicycle trips over the past seven years, and would do one every year if I could. What Ive noticed is the exact same thing; life reduced to a simple task is relaxation, even if physically arduous. They have something else in common. They’re both retarded.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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While I have not bumped into many of the climbing enthusiast crowd, it seems to me that the attitudes of some resemble that of some bicyclists I know! Read the articles Muffin linked above. In there it says the real appeal of mountaineering to those who do it is because it reduces all of life’s complexities to a simple issue, an all-encompassing expedition to summit a peak. I’ve done three cross-country bicycle trips over the past seven years, and would do one every year if I could. What Ive noticed is the exact same thing; life reduced to a simple task is relaxation, even if physically arduous. Thanks for the perspective
Decades of voting for the lesser of two evils has gotten us just that.....
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I'd have to consider the situation and most likely would come to the conclusion that if the poor guy can't walk on his own, then there's simply not a dang thing that I could do for him. It's not like you can just carry a guy down the hill to lower elevation. SO, I'd say a prayer for him and go on. As I said before, it's an issue of how to deal with their end of life because they can't be saved. The question is how do you handle your climb and your own life in the face of a lost cause. While it's callous to walk off and leave them, there's not a thing you can do to save them. So, what do you do that you can live with the rest of your life? See my last sentence where I said, "I'd say a prayer for him and go on."
Laws aren't preventative measures. In other words, more laws won't prevent gun crime from happening.
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Now, put Miss Lynn in that cave next to Green Shoes.
Does your answer change?
Epstein didn't kill himself.
"Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!"
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Sharp had enough experience to know what he was getting into and the price of failure. In the climbing community the moral question is not about risk and rescues. The question is whether one should participate if dependent on the Sherpas and guides to shoulder most of the risk and labor. The vast majority of Everest climbers are ego driven peak baggers who wouldn't get past the icefall on their own.
The Sherpas fix rope through all the technical ground and crevasses and preplace the camps and carry the loads. This makes it possible for otherwise unprepared people to engage in a sport because other people take the major risks for them. Real climbers enjoy being self sufficient in unforgiving environments. That is a major part of the appeal of playing in the big mountains.
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Don't wish it were easier
Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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I wonder if 'self-identifying' as a Sherpa makes it easier...
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Sharp had enough experience to know what he was getting into and the price of failure. In the climbing community the moral question is not about risk and rescues. The question is whether one should participate if dependent on the Sherpas and guides to shoulder most of the risk and labor. The vast majority of Everest climbers are ego driven peak baggers who wouldn't get past the icefall on their own.
The Sherpas fix rope through all the technical ground and crevasses and preplace the camps and carry the loads. This makes it possible for otherwise unprepared people to engage in a sport because other people take the major risks for them. Real climbers enjoy being self sufficient in unforgiving environments. That is a major part of the appeal of playing in the big mountains.
mike r I've read this, too. Everest used to be teams of experienced mountaineers. Now it's decent climbers who pay a guide to do all the hard work. It's not a "team", it's a leader and a bunch of followers.
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There is an interesting series called "Everest: Beyond The Limit" on either Netflix or Prime that does a great job of illustrating the business of guiding on Everest and the lack of experience and training of many of the clients.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier
Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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I would hire Tenzing Norgay to carry me and my couch to the top...... campfire legend I would be.... 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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My wife's cousin is still up there. He wasn't portrayed correctly in the book - written by the client of a rival guide. The movie was a bit more accurate. He was good man.
Hell'uva thing calling your wife and saying good-bye while waiting to die. Rob Hall? That is the harsh reality of Everest. Trying to save Doug killed two. And that reality is why people left David Sharp . We judge from sea level or whatever your altitude is. Next time a jet flys over at cruising altitude, look up, THAT is the reality of where they go. Everyone that climbs Everest accepts that risk and reality. Scott Fischer
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Pa hillbilly kid. Grew up farming and logging.
Don't understand how these things work at all.
Don't need to go to extremes to be tested.
Have hayed, carried 5 gallon buckets of maple sap through the woods,
Or logged on hot days untill we could barely walk.
Literally.
Anyone that "needs tested" never grew up with my Dad.
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The climber sounds like a real bozo but I would have to assist him . Good answer. Of course anyone who wastes $50k, to go risk their life, busting their ass, climbing a mountain, for the bragging rights/feeling of superiority, is Nothing like me. $50k is a lot of money I have already worked hard for. And takes more than a few weeks to save. Look around here, and their are 5k places I would rather put that to use helping people than climbing a mountain. In other words, Everone on that mountain, except the Sherpas, are Bozos. I'd opt for the new pickup instead.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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I have a great mountan I will gladly let folks climb for 50K...if its danger they want ill throw in some live fire...be a once in a life time trip..we can even get beers afterwards.
personally I dont see any status in someone coming up to me and saying " I climbed Mt. Everest.....id probably reply...that adn 2 bucks will get you a cup of coffee from me.
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