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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Yeah, I know what you meant...............generally the ones you are describing are more of less junk or at least 2nd or 3rd tier, trying to be pawned off as what they are not.

My point is/was that in general, even the best frankenguns don't have their true value except to their builders. Unless that builder has some notoriety.

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One thing about it, AR's are selling for good money around here. A local gal/gunshop owner cant keep them in stock. She even bought some home builds (mostly PSA and Anderson) and sold them for $1,000.00+. I wouldnt have given that much for the cheap pos, but thats me. Its also funny what some guys consider "franken guns".


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Yeah, I know what you meant...............generally the ones you are describing are more of less junk or at least 2nd or 3rd tier, trying to be pawned off as what they are not.

My point is/was that in general, even the best frankenguns don't have their true value except to their builders. Unless that builder has some notoriety.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Yeah, I know what you meant...............generally the ones you are describing are more of less junk or at least 2nd or 3rd tier, trying to be pawned off as what they are not.

My point is/was that in general, even the best frankenguns don't have their true value except to their builders. Unless that builder has some notoriety.

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Probably like when someone posts an all original pre 64 model 70 and it is far from it. I get what some of you are saying, however AR's are much more modular than anything real collectible like pre 64 model 70 Winchesters. I can understand the frustration a collector of AR's might have. A rifle like the one your describing should be all colt, down to the last detail. I get that. But some here get bent out of shape when they see a rifle like my Noveske, that is damn near 100% Noveske, but I put the lower together. To them it's a "franken rifle". They get bent out of shape if I call it a Noveske. Is it because they are mad that they spent $3,000.00 on theirs and I spent $1,000.00 on mine? If I take it to Grants pass and have a buddy there that works for Noveske, touch it, is it then anointed enough to be considered a real Noveske? Sometimes guys here crack me up. grin whistle
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The BCM I just bought is going to be even less BCM when I get done with it because I really don't like all things BCM. The gunfighter crap is coming off and its going to be replaced with something better. To me, that is the beauty of the AR. Build them the way you like them. Keeping in mind that sometimes you may be devaluing it. I recently saw an Aero precision selling for $1,800.00. It was a 224 Valkyrie, but besides that it was just another damn Aero precision. I've seen Anderson's selling for $1,000.00, so we are at a point where it really doesn't matter what's written on the side of the receiver. We are more than likely going to get more for our AR's than what we have into them. Unless you are one that has $1,800.00 or more into your rifle, then you are going to take it in the shorts and not recoup your money. Its like anything in the rifle world. Buy it right and you don't ever have to worry about losing money on the deal.. I honestly think the guys that way overspent on chidt, are the ones complaining about others "franken rifles", so to speak..


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Since it’s obvious your whole point in this thread is to stir the pot, I’ll go ahead and give you what you want.

People don’t like you calling your home built rifle a Noveske because it’s not.

A Noveske rifle is a rifle made by Noveske. If you’re isn’t made by Noveske, it’s not a Noveske rifle. And the people who point that out aren’t “mad” that they spent more than you. They just recognize that words have meanings and should be used appropriately.

I follow a local guy who sells $6000 rocking chairs. If I build a rocking chair that looks like his, from the same material as his, then it will be a great rocking chair. But it will not be a Morley Rocker. And calling it such would be unfair to Morley and to the hard work that I put into it myself.


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I posted this 4 days ago and they are still in stock.

That's longer than I expected.

I'll take that as a positive sign.


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I follow a local guy who sells $6000 rocking chairs. If I build a rocking chair that looks like his, from the same material as his, then it will be a great rocking chair. But it will not be a Morley Rocker. And calling it such would be unfair to Morley and to the hard work that I put into it myself.


I actually built a Sam Maloof style rocking chair. I don't call it a Maloof rocker, but I do call it a Maloof style rocker to give him credit for the design. I actually built it using plans from Charles Brock and I ain't calling it a Brock rocker, though Chuck Rocker does not sound bad.

I picked up a couple of those BCM blem uppers back when they were $50. Have one mated to a Ruger AR556 lower and is currently my primary AR. Not many Ruger parts left on that one, so I would not call it a Ruger anymore, but the lower and upper mate up well. I have another BCM upper matched to a Spikes lower, and it happens to be the sloppiest fit of all my ARs.

As foe the thermal fit, it does not take much heat to get the barrel on.

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Well, if you have a Criterion barrel mounted to an Anderson upper receiver you sure as heck ain't going to call it a Mustang.

For a real contentious topic, consider how many ways a hammer spring can be installed....


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
I posted this 4 days ago and they are still in stock.

That's longer than I expected.

I'll take that as a positive sign.


Yeah, longer than I expected too, but not sure about what it says.

Either we're near the end of general shortages, which I kind of doubt, the shortage of uppers hasn't been too severe, or maybe there's just enough shortages of other components (like barrels) that people are trying to get those items as a higher priority.................I dunno, just guessing.

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I posted this 4 days ago and they are still in stock.

That's longer than I expected.

I'll take that as a positive sign.


Yeah, longer than I expected too, but not sure about what it says.

Either we're near the end of general shortages, which I kind of doubt, the shortage of uppers hasn't been too severe, or maybe there's just enough shortages of other components (like barrels) that people are trying to get those items as a higher priority.................I dunno, just guessing.

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MM, I don't think we're near the end, allthough I've noticed some prices coming down on ammo.


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Picked one up just for kicks and giggles and will start looking for a decent 80% lower for it to rest on. Time to start accumulating parts and scratching my head to figure it all out.... Any ideas for the best bang for buck components for an accurate AR for someone who doesn't compete and will probably use it for coyotes, vermin, and paper?

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Originally Posted by Sheister
Picked one up just for kicks and giggles and will start looking for a decent 80% lower for it to rest on. Time to start accumulating parts and scratching my head to figure it all out.... Any ideas for the best bang for buck components for an accurate AR for someone who doesn't compete and will probably use it for coyotes, vermin, and paper?

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Very nice barrel for the dough. Backordered of course... personally I would go rifle gas....

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“ Any ideas for the best bang for buck components for an accurate AR for someone who doesn't compete and will probably use it for coyotes, vermin, and paper?”

I’m thinking you’re about 6 months too late to be picky.

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Originally Posted by TWR
“ Any ideas for the best bang for buck components for an accurate AR for someone who doesn't compete and will probably use it for coyotes, vermin, and paper?”

I’m thinking you’re about 6 months too late to be picky.


Perhaps, but I'm in no hurry and I'm pretty patient for decent prices. Hopefully, Biden won't shut down the industry while I'm shopping....

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Two affordable grips in stock rt now. One with a compartment (BCM), one very lightweight without a compartment (MFT).

Both are really very comfortable and... no finger grooves! I hate finger grooves.

https://www.opticsplanet.com/bcm-gfgmod-3-blk-pistol-grip-mod-3.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018123059

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Originally Posted by auk1124
Two affordable grips in stock rt now. One with a compartment (BCM), one very lightweight without a compartment (MFT).

Both are really very comfortable and... no finger grooves! I hate finger grooves.

https://www.opticsplanet.com/bcm-gfgmod-3-blk-pistol-grip-mod-3.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018123059


That's one grip.

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Had 8 of 9 orders from Optics Planet work out just fine since December. One was a bit of a clusterfuuck, but, eventually received the Criterion barrel, that was mostly unobtainium elsewhere. The other orders, showing in stock, not a limited quantity available like the barrel, shipped within 24hrs.


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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Had 8 of 9 orders from Optics Planet work out just fine since December. One was a bit of a clusterfuuck, but, eventually received the Criterion barrel, that was mostly unobtainium elsewhere. The other orders, showing in stock, not a limited quantity available like the barrel, shipped within 24hrs.


Glad to hear they are getting the message that people don't like to be lied to about things being "in stock".


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Had 8 of 9 orders from Optics Planet work out just fine since December. One was a bit of a clusterfuuck, but, eventually received the Criterion barrel, that was mostly unobtainium elsewhere. The other orders, showing in stock, not a limited quantity available like the barrel, shipped within 24hrs.


Glad to hear they are getting the message that people don't like to be lied to about things being "in stock".

Have no idea. Just don't order if it says limited quantity remaining, or if it's critical to you, LOL! Not my favorite outfit, but, they definitely get some product thru...


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Received my "blem/used" upper in the mail today. Looks completely new. Thanks to AS for the heads up.

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