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Originally Posted by DanGilbertTX
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how many top flight gunsmiths use m70s and how many churn out tikkas? There is your answer.

The Tikka action is used in quite a number of PRS builds. It is the alternative to a custom action.


I've got two customs builds on Tikka actions. The smith didn't even have to true it up, it was straight from the factory.

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Lots of people whine and cry about Tikka's "small" ejection port, but it's one huge reason Tikka actions are so stiff, strong, and accurate.


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Originally Posted by PintsofCraft
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Pints: Sounds like this is just a fun theoretical discussion, corrrect? Or are you actually going to purchase one or the other? If so, do you have any personal experience with CRF model 70s at all?


I happen to own both styles but this conversation was between several friends so we himmed & hawed about what two rifles. If it were me alone I’d have asked about the Rem 700 vs T3x but that wasn’t our conversation.

It’s interesting to discover the tension that exists between the M70 & T3x in the comments is the same that I experience as I explore buying a new rifle.

Like JWall I have both & like both but they occupy different spaces.


Interesting, When on the search for my go anywhere "PBGR" I choose the Tikka because it eliminated the nits I had with the Rem 700.


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It a'int the extractors it's the triggers.

The so called "cassette" triggers will pack up quickly in salt air or fine sand conditions.

That is what makes the older M70s so reliable. The BEST single stage trigger ever put in a sporting rifle. The only one more reliable is the Mauser 2 stage.

IMO all the problems with the Walker trigger can be traced to crud in it.

As for two stage: If it works in the trenches of WW One it will work in any hunting application.

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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
Originally Posted by DanGilbertTX
Originally Posted by bluefish
how many top flight gunsmiths use m70s and how many churn out tikkas? There is your answer.

The Tikka action is used in quite a number of PRS builds. It is the alternative to a custom action.


I've got two customs builds on Tikka actions. The smith didn't even have to true it up, it was straight from the factory.


Well there's two we now know of!


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Originally Posted by rj308
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Love my CRF 70s BUT I have yet ti see ANY documented case of a hunter being killed due to a push feed rifle failing.

We won WW II with a "push feed semi-auto". just sayin'



Nor have I seen ANY documented case of a hunter not being successful in the field, due to using a push feed rifle. RJ


With the controlled round action you can just open the bolt just right and push the round back into the magazine straight down when you need to get in the truck. Can't do that with a push feed.


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Originally Posted by NYNY
I cannot imagine anything more important.


Just easier and faster, no chance of dropping a cartridge in the snow. I am glad you imagination is so limited.


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Did it with PF 70’s and 700’s for years. I must be amazing.

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Originally Posted by 16bore
Did it with PF 70’s and 700’s for years. I must be amazing.


And you are! Did you have jack one out into your hand opening the action and then put it back in the magazine and close the bolt holding the top round down so the bolt wouldn't catch the rim? Were you wearing gloves? CRF actions are far easier to do the same thing with.


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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by 16bore
Did it with PF 70’s and 700’s for years. I must be amazing.


And you are! Did you have jack one out into your hand opening the action and then put it back in the magazine and close the bolt holding the top round down so the bolt wouldn't catch the rim? Were you wearing gloves? CRF actions are far easier to do the same thing with.


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The Tikka is the Toyota Camry of rifles, and I mean that in a good way. That said, I've sold my Tikkas - I want to like the guns I own and just never liked them. I would grab a model 70 in a heartbeat if the right opportunity presented itself.

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I must be unusual. I have and love model 70’s and tikkas. Love and use both. I have sold everything else.

All I have is tikka for push feeds. Models 70’s only like pre 64’s and stainless classics.

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Originally Posted by jwall
Thnx Pint.

I didn’t say Half Pint. grin

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Haha some days I feel like a half pint short.

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Originally Posted by PintsofCraft
Originally Posted by Starbuck
If anyone is interested in empirical data to substantiate or form thier opinion on this subject, you can do a search for the testing process the Canadian Rangers used to select their current duty rifle.


The cliff notes version is that they put most currently available bolt actions through rigorous testing in harsh conditions to test for reliability and accuracy. Tens of thousands of rounds, worst conditions possible. The results might surprise some.


https://www.tikka.fi/rifles/tikka-t3x/t3x-arctic

Interesting!


That's mostly a non-argument. No mention is made of what rifles the Tikka was tested against, and I'm doubtful they tested against the older M70 w/ crf and open trigger design. And I also doubt they tested the even simpler and more rugged Ruger 77 MKII/Hawkeye. I'd take either of those over a Tikka with its removeable magazine in cold, snowy conditions. I'd bet a removable magazine was part of the military's criteria. And of course, military weapon choices are notoriously political.

I have nothing against the T3, and in fact when a guy (or gal) new to Montana asks me what rifle to buy for elk hunting I tell them to get a Tikka T3 in 270 Win. Mount a Burris 3-9 with dots on top in Talley Lwt rings, add a Butler Creek Mountain Sling and you're off to the races.

But for me I throw up a bit in my mouth around the Tikka. For a lightweight I'd always rather pack a Kimber MT, and for a midweight I'd rather use an M70.

But the Tikka does it all right off the shelf with no dicking around...


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Tikka's are great rifles, but I wouldnt put to much stock in what the Canadian Rangers use or their testing. If you lived here you would know why.
In any event their first choice wasnt the Tikka, it was the Ruger Gunsite scout, but they couldnt get them at the price they wanted so went with the Tikka, and got soaked. A good friend did some research and wrote an article on it and if my memory is correct they paid over 3k per rifle.

I have Tikka's, and they are fine guns, but as far as reliability goes, the Winchester/ Ruger wins hands down.

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Originally Posted by rj308
Originally Posted by NYNY
Love my CRF 70s BUT I have yet ti see ANY documented case of a hunter being killed due to a push feed rifle failing.

We won WW II with a "push feed semi-auto". just sayin'



Nor have I seen ANY documented case of a hunter not being successful in the field, due to using a push feed rifle. RJ



I have. A few times actually. On expensive hunts too. Most of the failures I've seen were with Remington 700s. The hunters ended up being successful, but only because they used my rifle.

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