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Remington is re-entering a very competitive market with a damaged reputation and their flagship products have a damaged reputation as well.
The 870, 1100, and 700, when executed properly, are fantastic products with attractive prices. Ditch the rust attractant finish on the shotguns. Put a good trigger in the 700, and while I think the brazed bolt handle issue is overblown, just weld the damn thing. Remember that lightweight and twist is more important to buyers today than it was a few decades ago. Then QC QC QC. If a problem does come up. CS CS CS. Build the foundation with those basics.
Remember what you offer that others don't. The pump action centerfires are unique. They tend to be very accurate as well. Synthetic and stainless or cerakote sells today. Seems "guide guns" are still a thing and tactical does as well. A 7600 "guide" model or "tactical" model perhaps?
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Because there are 45 billion used ones for 350 bucks out there. Anyone who wants one has one. That may be so in some parts of the country, but dealers in Maine are paying over $500 per unit for clean, original, 760s and then selling them for a healthy profit.
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Because there are 45 billion used ones for 350 bucks out there. Anyone who wants one has one. That may be so in some parts of the country, but dealers in Maine are paying over $500 per unit for clean, original, 760s and then selling them for a healthy profit. Nu h h derrr. Herrr. Lol.
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Remington is re-entering a very competitive market with a damaged reputation and their flagship products have a damaged reputation as well.
The 870, 1100, and 700, when executed properly, are fantastic products with attractive prices. Ditch the rust attractant finish on the shotguns. Put a good trigger in the 700, and while I think the brazed bolt handle issue is overblown, just weld the damn thing. Remember that lightweight and twist is more important to buyers today than it was a few decades ago. Then QC QC QC. If a problem does come up. CS CS CS. Build the foundation with those basics.
Remember what you offer that others don't. The pump action centerfires are unique. They tend to be very accurate as well. Synthetic and stainless or cerakote sells today. Seems "guide guns" are still a thing and tactical does as well. A 7600 "guide" model or "tactical" model perhaps?
Build foundational products correctly the first time. Stand behind them. Innovate into niche segments with little competition.
How many firearm companies have you worked for?
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Because there are 45 billion used ones for 350 bucks out there. Anyone who wants one has one. and nobody under the age of 60 wants one Ever hunted anything in New England? Prices for them are up over $800 now for a good one. Carbine might go $1k.
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I rarely see 760/7600 in shops here anymore and when I do they run about $700 and up.
And as Pintsofcraft said, carbines run over $1,000
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Can I hear a 7600 CARBINE in .35 Remington coming into production? I'll put an order for TWO of them right now. Make that Carbine with a 20" bbl and you'll have the perfect short range deer rifle. The Fudds will go nutz over that one, including me. 
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Can I hear a 7600 CARBINE in .35 Remington coming into production? I'll put an order for TWO of them right now. Make that Carbine with a 20" bbl and you'll have the perfect short range deer rifle. The Fudds will go nutz over that one, including me. Black bear on bait and hogs too.
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Nu h h derrr. Herrr. Lol.
You taking language class from Big Stick ? Laugh at you. Jerry
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Can I hear a 7600 CARBINE in .35 Remington coming into production? I'll put an order for TWO of them right now. Make that Carbine with a 20" bbl and you'll have the perfect short range deer rifle. The Fudds will go nutz over that one, including me. I’d be a buyer too 😉
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Well, those were disappointing answers. The whole thing was grey middle management speak. There was no definite specific goal described in the whole thing. You are not going to pin that guy down.
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Can I hear a 7600 CARBINE in .35 Remington coming into production? I'll put an order for TWO of them right now. Make that Carbine with a 20" bbl and you'll have the perfect short range deer rifle. The Fudds will go nutz over that one, including me. I’d be a buyer too 😉 In my humble opinion, I think there is a much bigger market out there for a good pump action rifle like the 760/7600 than the bolt guys realize. Ain't no way the "Amish Machine Gun" is selling for $350 in Pa, they are too highly prized. And if they are, give me the LGS address or a link and I'll buy them for $350.
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Well, those were disappointing answers. The whole thing was grey middle management speak. There was no tone definite specific goal described in the whole thing. You are not going to pin that guy down. I agree fully !!!!
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The whole time he is answering your questions with words like "Legacy" or "sustainability" or "moving forward" if you don't keep your eye on him, youll turn around and find him swallowing you like a python..."foundational" gulp "focus driven approach" gulp "consumer trust" gulp
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Because there are 45 billion used ones for 350 bucks out there. Anyone who wants one has one. That may be so in some parts of the country, but dealers in Maine are paying over $500 per unit for clean, original, 760s and then selling them for a healthy profit. None here in the South for $350. have I seen in years. Jerry
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In my humble opinion, I think there is a much bigger market out there for a good pump action rifle like the 760/7600 than the bolt guys realize.
Ain't no way the "Amish Machine Gun" is selling for $350 in Pa, they are too highly prized. And if they are, give me the LGS address or a link and I'll buy them for $350.
You can call me a "cross shooter" ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/UsOUn0h.jpg) I like bolts & pumps. There is a 6mm Rem & 30-06 that CAN'T be bought. The other 2 are not likely to be sold either. I was skeptical of the pumps at first even tho my Dad had a 760, 30-06 as his only rifle for years. They proved their value to me. 6mm Rem, 270 Win, & 30-06 shoot accurately the SAME loads as bolt actions. Jerry
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Grice had them for that amount...used.
I don't give a damn if you believe that they were there or not. Fact is they were.
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Moved on from Remington many years ago. Too many others that don't have issues, or will shoot from the box. Saying that, the wife does have a couple. An older 870 Light Weight Limited and a Model 7. Both are good. Remington was one of the few makers that had something for a short statured person that was balanced. I hope they can come back, they did have many very good offerings. The later ones not so much.
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You can call me a "cross shooter" I like bolts & pumps. There is a 6mm Rem & 30-06 that CAN'T be bought. The other 2 are not likely to be sold either. I was skeptical of the pumps at first even tho my Dad had a 760, 30-06 as his only rifle for years. They proved their value to me. 6mm Rem, 270 Win, & 30-06 shoot accurately the SAME loads as bolt actions. Jerry I'm with you Jerry, I like pumps and bolts. And I like the Jamomatic I have in .308 that functions flawlessly, so much so that I just purchased another in 270 I'll be picking up tomorrow. 7MM Rem Mag, 270 Win., 30-06, 6MM Rem., 308 Win, 35 Rem., it's all good !!!! ![[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]](https://i.ibb.co/vB7YSgt/DSCN1479.jpg)
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Because there are 45 billion used ones for 350 bucks out there. Anyone who wants one has one. Not too long ago used 760 and 7600 rifles were common in the pawn shops here. And somewhat occasionally in local forums. I paid $200, but I think $300 was more typical. I haven't checked in awhile though. I'm partial to the 760 corncob with front swivel on the tube, not the barrel. Cool rifles, and I dig the design. But I still think that guys that like pump rifles already own one or several. Most new shooters (coworkers or friends) that I help are interested in a Ruger American, not a pump action. Obviously Remington has the sales numbers and will plan accordingly.
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