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Allen:

I very much appreciate your post. I have read it once, and will read it carefully again and contemplate.

Please note: Many of the sentiments behind the origination of the CATC were what inspired me to create it years ago. It didn't just appear from out of the ether.

Also, some of you must understand the behind-the-scenes angst and inner turmoil much of the content of CATC caused me ... again, for years.

I did not come to this decision lightly.

1] Anyone who has interpreted my actions as a personal or denominational slight is adding their own slant to the issue. The fact remains that I nuked CATC because I was tired of the anti-Catholicism. End of story.

If some of you feel that that is an arbitrary or capricious indulgement on my part, then I truly apologize.

Again: I will not sponsor anti-Catholic bigotry on a forum on which I have the power to avoid it. I'm not talking one post, or one thread. I'm talking years of pervasive anti-Catholicism. I challenge anybody here to have refrained from interceding for almost three years were their own denomination pervasively maligned.

2] This is a hunting and shooting forum, and Jesus has blessed it. If some of you knew the background and the road that led me to create 24hourcampfire in 1999 and 2000, you'd undoubtedly agree. That is the primary reason I created CATC ... to allow Christians of ALL denominations to fellowship.

Unfortunately, that is not what panned out. As the [bleep] now swirling demonstrate, and as I finally accepted, an interdenominational open forum is a flame war waiting to happen.

You have all seen what types of flames accompany caliber discussions and optics discussions, etc. As irrational as things get there, when somebody's religious beliefs are involved, things are ratcheted up to new levels.

We have three choices here:

a] Open forum. Doesn't work.

b] Moderated forum. Yeah right. See Sanlen's, (the guy who has NEVER had a post pulled, changed, or otherwise affected) gratuitous gripe about censorship, complete with borderline attacks on my character. Suuuuuure this one is viable.

c] No forum. Seems to win by elimination.

The truth is, CATC was a wonderful, inspired concept in theory.

In practice, it simply did not work.

rb

Are YOU?

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...oc_20070629_responsa-quaestiones_en.html

"The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, ratified and confirmed these Responses, adopted in the Plenary Session of the Congregation, and ordered their publication.

Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, June 29, 2007, the Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul."



Yes, I am.

Will, it is not only the catholic church, most of them have at one time or other harboured these creatures,
James.

Truth hurts don't it!!!!!!!!!!


I went to Catholic school 2nd ---- 10th grade Our Lady of Victory and Nolan High School in Ft Worth and this happened to someone I knew! Found out about it 30 years later and NOTHING was ever said about it back then.

Go pee on someone elses leg. The truth is the truth and if you think that the Pope was not aware of these things then you are ignorant.

I am only taking issue with the "Management" not the "Workers" so to speak!!

I agree James. Even on so egregious an issue there are plenty of guilty parties. But his post was intentionally worded to not only implicate the entire structure of the church but its membership as well.

Even though he knows that you would be hard pressed to find any Catholic defenders of this activity. It was a cheapshot I think.

Will

It's time for dinner. Now, let's go eat.

This place had a religion forum? Really? Huh. Imagine that.

Never went there. Don't care if it's gone. I come here to talk shooting and reloading, and that's all. I belong to other boards. One of my other four shooting boards does have a religion forum - one with few posts, but I couldn't tell you if they were friendly because I wouldn't go there, either. One of my other talk boards is dedicated to Vietnam vets, another to geocaching; neither one feels any need to have religion sections.

If a religion talk board turns your crank (or lights your martyrdom fire), by all means start one.

I suspect that he did not mean to cause anguish, he certainly went to great pains to point out that he was not trying to offend.
James.

Jezz man are you that hard headed-------use common sense here! It happened to a person I went to school with and never even knew what was going on. If this had been a janitor at school then Front Page News. It was completely glossed over and nobody was ever brought to justice.

I did not post at the CATC --- this is one reason. To this day I cannot rationalize it out in my mind!!

Y'all, ah jus bet ah c'n make it deader.

Ps, There is no way in hell my spell checker would even touch that.

Hey RickyD, never did tell you, but I've appreciated your posts in CATC.

I agree with Boss Hoss-
The fact that the church turned a blind eye to what was happening for so many years is deplorable.
I think all of that is in the process of changing now, but the pedophiles and perverts should have been excluded years ago.
I still attend the Catholic church, but I certainly struggle with all that has happened-It still bothers me that it happened at all.
I think the thing to remember is that churches are made up of sinners-that is people who are weak and prone to make many mistakes.
I don't ever see that changing.

Excluded.....I would have thought a slow knife over a number of days would have been more apt.

Boss:

If I didn't think you were intelligent enough to know better, I would put aside your comments as the product of an obtuse mind that could not grasp semi-obvious distinctions.

But since I know better, it only stands to reason that your comments are intended to throw gasoline on the fire.

Pedophilia? Abhorrent, repulsive, and I join everyone in hoping that the bastards fry.

Nobody is going to defend that.

But that is not "Catholicism."

And you know it.

Me too .... two others whos posts I have especially enjoyed include Micky Coleman's and Penny's....although the later two used the general forum more...

Ah fer cryin out loud, quit bashing catholics, I am one, and a proud one, fer crap sake, this isn't My Religion is better than your religion, It is the Bullschitt like this that kept me away for CATC. You all especially the better than thou group are acting like effin' children. And if you can't get that thru your thick skulls, your not acting very christian like at all. Les

Rick, you are quite right, it is not Catholicism, it is not even anything approaching human, and I am not confining my criticism to the Catholic church, I am including every denomination that have allowed this abominable practise to flourish.
Unfortunately keeping quite about it is what has allowed the problem to become as rife as it is.
James.