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It's 1946, winter. The allied invasion of Russia has bogged down. The partisans are cutting supply lines, the Euro allies realize they are tired and weak from war and they go home. The Soviets detonate an atom bomb (atom spies). The Americans say that it was crude and inefficient, but admit that it was an atom bomb. The US Civil Defense public information apparat is not yet in full swing so the American people don’t know that they will be safe from atomic attack if they just get under their desks. They say nyet to the war and American forces begin pulling out of the Rodina.

Actually, I do not think it would have taken till the winter of '46.

The entire world was sick and tired of war. Especially the Brits who had borne the brunt of Hitler's anger.

The US had put up with her sons and lovers lost to war for the cause of beating those dirty Japs. My Dad still spoke 60 years later of government betrayal as the recruiting posters asked for men to avenge Pearl Harbor, and then sent the recruits to Europe.

The US was sick and tired of rations. America was sick and tired of Mom working at the factory instead of home cooking meals and sewing shirts. (look how that turned out thirty years later) America was sick of war widows and single mothers with no prospect of finding a suitable mate. 40 years later I heard my Aunts still complaining that the only men around were 4Fers.

Despite the cries from those who knew exactly what Stalin was and wanted him gone, America's leaders made the choice to bring home our boys. I think because there was no other choice at the time.

What would you do, rearm Germany and use them to continue the fight against Russia? Sure, that would fly.

Turn the Chinese loose against Russia in the East while America attacks from the West? Then the Evil Chinese Empire would gain all the territory and mineral wealth of Siberia and all the rest of Russia they could conquer. That is not a good choice either.

No, the world had been at war for most of thirty years. The world had experienced "Total War" for the first time in history. The world had witnessed the devastation of fire bombing campaigns, and had witnessed Atom Bombs.

The World including America was done with war.

ditto.

correct; if we invaded russia. there are geographical challenges to vast to overcome. just pin the russian army. remove their supply lines and wait.

btw, the russians were caught without the riflemen they needed just like the germans were. you can only do human wave offensives for so long and even the russians run out of humans.

Sheesh,

We would have cut - off the Spam ....

Our air force would have decimated the russians.

The Allies had nuclear weaponry and George Patton. The russians had Joseph Stalin who was perfectly willing to sacrifice every able bodied russian to win. It's kind of a toss up.

Air forces have never won by themselves. You still have to have men on the ground. IdahoShooter has it right. Everyone was sick of war.

The Russians were pretty exhausted at the end of the war and about tapped out. Of course, we were too in lots of ways. If the war had started almost immediately we would have probably “won” as long as the goal was to simply get them out of Europe.

And George was perfectly willing to help Stalin with his sacrifices.

Patton proved himself correct on many occasions.

Always to the dismay of the naysayers that thought they knew more than he did.

At the very least, we should have pushed the Russkies back out of Eastern Europe, the Baltic states and East Prussia.

"Patton proved himself correct on many occasions."

The Russians were as scared of him as the Germans were. That's why they killed him, nicht wahr?

The problem with that is that there really aren't any strong defensive land features in the Baltics or East Prussia. The longer our supply lines get, the shorter theirs do.

Yeah, they were so scared of him that they just surrendered en masse. Oh wait, they didn't.

If we ended up fighting the Soviets, the Eastern Europeans would have had underground forces in Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Poland etc that would have helped cut their supply lines or given us information. Cutting off Russian supplies and material would have made all the Russians foot soldiers. Then in early 46 we could have nuked Moscow. Our air force was better and could have wiped their air force from the skys and Strategic Bombing could occur. Turkey entered the war on the allies side late and bombing runs could have been made from Turkish bases. Turkey would have invaded Southern Russia. Russia may have persued a compromise and pulled back to their territory and left the Eastern European countries alone for the west to move in. Once a couple of nukes were dropped, game over for Russia.

This in turn would not have allowed Russia to supply the communist Chinese with the ability to take over China with supplies from Russia. Communism contained only left in Russia.

Yes, but not many. As it was in 1945, it took a month to build one. We did not have another ready to go immediately after Nagasaki.

As discussed in the video, a 20 kt bomb was survivable if you had any cover outside a couple of kilometers. Less if you were in armor. We did not have bombers with enough range to reach production areas east of the Urals.


I agree with the conclusion in the video. Allies could have pushed through Poland, taken out a lot of troops, but the USSR was too big to occupy and Stalin would fight to the last man.

It would have been nasty.

if you include nukes, then yeah, otherwise forget it

One of Hitler's worst vanity driven strategic errors was Stalingrad.
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