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Sure would be nice if the 7x57 was there.
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1 22lr 2 22 mag 3 222 4 243 5 280 6 30-06 7 358 Norma Mag 8 458 WM 9 9mm 10 45 Colt
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Sure would be nice if the 7x57 was there. The 7x57 is a great round, and if memory serves I've take 16 species of big game, from 100 to over 1000 pounds, with it in North America and Africa. But as I have pointed out in a number of articles and books, widely varying throat lengths and strength of various action make it impossible to produce factory ammo or handloads that perform consistently in a wide variety of rifles. Which is why I eventually conceded that the 7mm-08 works better for the average hunter and handloader. That doesn't mean I don't have a very accurate 7x57, which I intend to use considerably. But it's a Ruger African marked .275 Rigby.
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Another great round--but with even more issues than the 7x57. I'm an 8x57 fan, but there are four variations: .318" bullet diameter rimless. Not many of these are seen anymore, but there are a few. Which is why even "modern" American 8x57 ammo is loaded down. That said, many older rifles were converted to the .323-inch "S" version, including many 1888 German military rifles sent to Turkey during WWI In fact my 1888 .318" bullet diameter rimmed (8x57JS), which for some reason (tradition?) remained the standard 8x57 round for break-action European guns long after .323: bullet diameter became standard in bolt-actions. These include drillings and double rifles. .323" diameter rimless, This is the modern standard 8x57JS. .323: diameter rimmed. Break-action rifles in this tend to cost more, especially drillings, because they're relatively rare. These variations are why American factory ammo is load to approximate the same ballistics as the .32 Winchester Special, rather than the .30-06. And that's the reason the 8x57 isn't among the 10 most perfect cartridges--and isn't very popular even in Europe, where these differences are understood far better than in America.
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Note to Shaman: My affair with my .35 Whelen waned in 2008 when I no longer hunted where there are big brown toothy critters. I figured the .35 would Whelenize any grizz at close encounter range and be a real elk getter. I was right on the elk and thankfully never had to use it on bears. Happy Trails
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Another great round--but with even more issues than the 7x57. I'm an 8x57 fan, but there are four variations: .318" bullet diameter rimless. Not many of these are seen anymore, but there are a few. Which is why even "modern" American 8x57 ammo is loaded down. That said, many older rifles were converted to the .323-inch "S" version, including many 1888 German military rifles sent to Turkey during WWI In fact my 1888 .318" bullet diameter rimmed (8x57JS), which for some reason (tradition?) remained the standard 8x57 round for break-action European guns long after .323: bullet diameter became standard in bolt-actions. These include drillings and double rifles. .323" diameter rimless, This is the modern standard 8x57JS. .323: diameter rimmed. Break-action rifles in this tend to cost more, especially drillings, because they're relatively rare. These variations are why American factory ammo is load to approximate the same ballistics as the .32 Winchester Special, rather than the .30-06. And that's the reason the 8x57 isn't among the 10 most perfect cartridges--and isn't very popular even in Europe, where these differences are understood far better than in America. I've long wondered why Simpson LTD seems to import far more used Husqvarna sporting rifles in 8x57 and 30-06 than in 6.5x55. Are the Sweds holding onto their 6.5x55s, or were they not as popular/common as we in America might assume?
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need to make a change in perfect battery of useful calibers
1. .22lr 2. 22 hornet 3. .223/556 4. 6.5 Grendel 5. 30-06 6. .375 h&h 7. 9mm (handgun) 8. .45 acp (handgun) 9. 12 ga. 10. 16 ga.(remove) 10a. .22 cal. air rifle
Done!
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1. 22LR 2. 223 3. 243 4. 30-06 5. 45 acp 6. 9mm 7.12 Ga
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16-gauge There was never any need for the 20 or 12 gauge after the 16 appeared.
Universal truth right there.
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16-gauge There was never any need for the 20 or 12 gauge after the 16 appeared.
Universal truth right there. Agreed i own a 16 gauge hunted many years as a kid with a 16 gauge. but price and popular use of the 12 and 20 gauge made me change. 12 gauge, 22 LR , 30-06 ,45 ACP ,38 and 9mm have made the test of time, maybe a few others no matter what we feel is better. i am surprised how few loonies posted a 22 Hornet ????
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The ten most perfect cartridges:
6.5 Creedmoor
(Hey, someone had to...)
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16-gauge There was never any need for the 20 or 12 gauge after the 16 appeared.
Universal truth right there. Same might be said for 308 vs. 30-06 vs.300WM Or 7-08 vs. 280 vs. 7RM
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When you dream about your perfect cartridge, what do you see in your mind's eye? What is your fantasy?
Is it the soft, sultry line of her shoulder that attracts you? The exciting flash of her heel and rim that you wish to touch? Her tall, imposing body. Or are you thrilled by a long, slender neck?
Certainly, her body must be perfectly proportioned. Strong, but not muscled. Balanced. Everything flowing together to excite, yet strong and capable. Lithe, tapered, and not too loud! She is strong, but needs your touch to excite her!
The world is a strange place, but who can say they are attracted to short, fat ones? The babushkas of the steppes? They were born to toil in the field, not bred to pursue the regal stag or fallow deer!
The perfect cartridge must be pleasing to your eye, soft on your shoulder, yet capable and yielding. It only adds to the excitement of the chase.
Where is this mythical cartridge?
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221 Fireball with a 30 degree shoulder and the neck shortened to .230 25-222 Woters Tooters 257 Roberts 270 Winchester 280 AI 7MM STW 300 Winchester Magnum 338-06 35 Whelen 375 Weatherby
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1. 22 long rifle. Fun and small varmints 2. 223 Fun and bigger varmints 3. 243 Win. Women, kids, impaired hunters 4. 30-06. Deer size game 5. 338 Win mag Can do anything a 300 can, plus will work for plains game and bears 6. 375 H&H African game, bears 7. 458 Lott. Big African game 8. 12 gauge. Birds 9. 20 gauge. Women, kids, birds 10. 45 Acp. Self defense, wifey shoots 45 no prob
A 9mm might be better for number 10. You can shoot anything with one of those rifles a big pistol would be suitable for. Most of my picks are based on availability except the 458 Lott That list is pretty oldschool, to say the least. There are much better/more efficient and accurate cartridges these days. Just sayin. I am old, just turned 68, damn I was 18 the other day. My choices have a lot to do with availability.
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6.5 Grendel
35 Rem
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I am young compared to most of you so I have time to age.
222 Remington
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17. HMR 22-250 243 250-300 257 Roberts 6.5x55 30-06 300 weatherby 44 mag 45 acp
I don’t particularly like rifle rounds with short necks.
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When you dream about your perfect cartridge, what do you see in your mind's eye? What is your fantasy?
Is it the soft, sultry line of her shoulder that attracts you? The exciting flash of her heel and rim that you wish to touch? Her tall, imposing body. Or are you thrilled by a long, slender neck?
Certainly, her body must be perfectly proportioned. Strong, but not muscled. Balanced. Everything flowing together to excite, yet strong and capable. Lithe, tapered, and not too loud! She is strong, but needs your touch to excite her!
The world is a strange place, but who can say they are attracted to short, fat ones? The babushkas of the steppes? They were born to toil in the field, not bred to pursue the regal stag or fallow deer!
The perfect cartridge must be pleasing to your eye, soft on your shoulder, yet capable and yielding. It only adds to the excitement of the chase.
Where is this mythical cartridge?
I see an ample supply of what ever it is.....
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