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I read here (a lot) and haven't posted in years, but this subject hits close to home. I have severe arthritis in my neck, hips and lower spine. I take Norco every day. I know the side effects, and have gone through withdrawal multiple times, but I continue the Norco because of the debilitating pain. I am fortunate in that my Doctor will prescribe refills, but I dread the day he no longer will be allowed to exercise his judgement.

I know about Pain management - no thanks. I get the pain and they manage me. No relief.

Ok, given the foregoing info, what do you'all, pharma, government, doctors, anybody and everybody recommend I do for real pain relief? Not feel good platitudes, trying to make me feel like an addict, I'm not, but I am dependent. I see no other option for relief other than Norco or some other opiod.

I await your recommendation.

John

Well the answer is clearly to enslave a population of by unscrupulous open ended prescriptions to demographic of less than wealthy working folk with a lot of long term pain and injuries from working in the mines. Then when they get hooked the kids'll latch on and we can get an even bigger market share.

Huh??

It's the crux of it. No rational person is saying ban opioids. But holding pharma to account for the hell they've wrought is not the same thing. Read up on it man.

I kinda wandered in at the end here and did not have a good frame of reference.


I am with ya now.

Language Warning!!!

John, how I see it.

You’re doc is probably being forced to cut your prescribed amount of Norco down to the level the Medical Board will allow, which IIRC, is 40 milligrams a day.

If you’re lucky, your doc will continue to do the required paperwork exercise and won’t be hassled for managing your pain with opioids from his State Med Board.

If your doctor is telling you at some point, he won’t be able to write you anymore meds. Then your looking at “Pain Clinics” which are not the new pain pill pumping station.

They will review your medical history from your doctor and make recommendations on alternative remedies, like physical therapy, pain management through group therapy - ‘learning to control how your mind thinks about it’s pain’. Surgery and other forms of invasive and non-invasive stimulation for pain.

It can get expensive, if you have co-pay with your insurance. Insurance companies and their policies may or may not cover a significant portion of the treatments...Plus, it can be a huge drain on your time and financial resources jumping through their hoops, as they hope something will work better than an evil opioid pill.

If all else fails the doctors at the pain clinic have made you try. They might then allow your regular doctor to continue writing you a small monthly amount of pain medication.

This is my take on it from dealing with their new protocols for a loved one.

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PS

Being dependent on a pain medication to relieve chronic, long term pain from a medical condition, isn’t the same as being addicted to pain medication.

Millions of people are no longer getting pain meds across the US and the majority have had to face the detoxing from not having them in their system. And, they aren’t running the streets looking for another hook-up...They are just hurting and trying to stay sane and deal with it.

The only things worse than your spelling and grammar are your lack of knowledge as to what opioids do for pain and what a PCA won’t do. Pumping that button won’t continue to give you more doses of pain medication in the PCA device.

Blanket statements from guys like you are why there are hospitals for sick people and the Campfire for even sicker people.

B10

Thanks for the reply.

The pain management people are a joke. They take away the only pain relief that works, put you through withdrawal and unrelenting pain for months, then say oops, sorry about that, you should get your primary to write a script for opioids.

What is needed is either a non addictive pain relief that works or Rx scripts for Old Grand Dad by the case.

In a just world any so called pain expert who takes away effective opioid pain relief should be hung by the balls with dull piano wire until they expire of terminal pain while listening to a therapist telling them how they need to retrain their mind to rethink how they perceive pain.

Hmmmmm, maybe I take this too seriously.

John

I don't have an answer, but about 10 years ago I had a minor surgery, when the meds wore off I was in some pretty serious pain, docs gave me some percocet I believe, and I took a couple, a few minutes later the pain is gone. I only needed to take two doses and get a good nights sleep for the pain to go away, but what if the pain lasted a week? yes, i would take those pills for a week, what if it lasted a month? 6 months, a year? the rest of my life? I don't know but its pretty easy to see that if someone is relieving the pain, tjhey aren't really worried about addiction, the pain isn't going away unless they take the pill, addiction isn't their driving concern

A good first rule of thumb whenever dealing with any medical issue is to assume your doctor is a fugking moron.

Or people with injuries and short-term pain. That happened to me. Scratched my cornea, which is very painful if you've never done it. Doc gave me a 3-day supply and I went through it in 2. Doc gave me another scrip, but the pharmacy wouldn't refill it even with a valid prescrption. So I had one more day of pain and then was over it, the pain subsided.

Prior to that I'd had 4 major orthopedic surgeries and never used the full scrip, a day or two and I was done. All of you guys patting yourself on the back are no different, just never been in the position of needing pain meds.

And all you guys saying only losers, dopers, and addicts got caught up in Pharma's big payday are just full of schidt.

Big pharma, BAD!

Now give me my COVID shots (that were developed over the course of 72 hours).

LOL

I got the short end of the stick apparently as when I was in the hospital they hit me up with morphine twice and it was akin to having saline administered...they gave up on that approach as it seems I cannot metabolise it.

I would make a lousy druggie, on the other hand when I snapped the bone an inch above my ankle two Panadol killed the pain...still had the shock but no pain. panadeine forte is an absolute no go as one makes my teeth absolutely scream at me when it wears off a little.

added Heck, two Panadol rapid will knock a migraine on it's arse for me.


Funny how things work!

Who said anything about vaccines, sport? Try to stay on topic.

And as long as we're on the subject of big pharma, Purdue wouldn't be agreeing to a $10B settlement if they hadn't: 1) f*cked up royally and 2) made a schitload of money in the process.

Big pharma is the topic dipschit.

Big pharma developed the COVID vaccine, dipschit.

The loudest opponents of Big Pharma advocate for taking the COVID vaccine, dipschit.

Get it? Dipschit?

LOL

thats B.S , they say legal pot cost almost as much as the illegal stuff from all the taxes on it ,I would not know .But just from watching older cousins and people i worked with ,making hard drugs cheaper will definitly not cut down on crime because they wont have to steal much to pay for drugs ,.NO...they will steal as much and use MORE drugs ,because drugs are cheaper ,, drugs are all they live for seen it too many times . they more they can get the better they like it ,..so cheaper drugs is not a good idea

Who's advocating for the vaccine here, moron?

Sounds good to me.

The illegality of it sure doesn’t stop anyone who wants to do it from doin’ it. Drugs are more readily available now than they’ve ever been, and they’re more potent now than they’ve ever been, and they’re cheaper now (in relation) than they’ve ever been...despite the war on drugs.

The real crime here is allowing Lobbyists to get near Congress. The actual Crime of the Century was stealing the election and seating a couple of criminally insane morons as president and vice.