Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles 7-08 Bullet for antelope

Cheesy: Why not just load a 140 partition and shoot EVERYTHING with it. There will not be a dimes worth of advantage going to anything else. Then you can stop tormenting yourself over "this bullet for this" or "that bullet for that". If you work up a load with a Partition, you can stop looking for anything else....

Like I said, some people think the groundhog they killed at 75 yards with a .243 makes them an expert on a 7mm-08 bullet they never shot at an antelope.

I haven't shot an antelope with a 7mm-08, because when I lived and hunted in Wyoming, Texas and Colorado, I was shooting a .30-06 or .270. I got my first 7mm-08 just 10 years ago, as a 300-meter running boar target rifle, then a deer rifle for my son, then another. Knowing what the .270 will do in wind with a 3,000 fps bullet and what the 7mms do in wind with a 120, 140, 150 and 160-gr bullet, is the basis for my suggestions that hunters see how the 154 and 160 shoot in their rifles.

And yet you feel compelled to lecture all of us on the proper bullet choice for antelope out of the 7-08.

The irony runs deep....................

Shall I restate once again:

"Hello, Kettle,.....This is Lee,......You're black!

CAS -
You think someone who has shot one antelope is an expert, yet someone who has shot dozens of deer and antelope with a variety of cartridges and thousands of targets at long range is a dummy.

Your naive world view attempts to extrapolate from a narrow experience to an opinion on everything. Mine is distill a broad set of appropriate knowledge and direct experience to application of one question at a time.

That's why you are so often wrong.

Dozens of deer... dozens of PRONGHORN... no pictures?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say my 4 year old has been in on more deer kills than Lee has...

No, I have never made that argument. I do know however that someone who has NEVER shot an antelope with a 7-08 with any bullet (YOU!) is absolutely, positively, NOT an expert.




Is there anything better than being lectured about a "naive world view" by someone who claims to be an expert on things that he admits to NEVER HAVING DONE?




A perfect explanation of your reason for the excessive use of Google. Thank you.

If you are still reading replys I feel for ya man!

I've shot all those bullets out of my 700 Ti, same barrel as yours. All shoot acceptable accuracy.

I shoot the 140 TSX for deer hunting. It shoots the most consistant of all the bullets I've tried, day in day out in many differnt climate conditions (this is Floirda, the weather changes by the minute). They kill deer like the hammer of Thor, I would expect the same on the speed goats. I have not shot a speed goat yet, but there is a chance a stray goat will come by at a couple of stands I hunt. If one walks in, he is mine.....well my father will insist that I share but that's okay.

Seriously, take your favorite brass, pop in a WLR primer, fill it full of H4350 (leave a little room for the bullet), stick that bullet on top (make sure it is nice and straight), go sight the gun in dead on @ 200 yards and go hunting. Good luck.

I bet Cheesy's antelope is dead and mounted by now. Can't be easy being Cheesy.

I keep saying that I won't open this thread anymore, but, I am simply stunned everytime I see Lee digging his own hole deeper, and deeper and..........grin

Is that the sum total of your experience with the 7mm-08, "Huntr"?

CAS, how many antelope have you shot?
How many deer or antelope have you shot at 300 yards?
How many deer or antelope have you shot with the 7mm-08?
Have you ever used the 154-gr or 160-gr bullets out of a 7mm-08 on anything, including paper targets?

Bonus question:
Why do you think my experience with 130-gr bullets out of my .270s is irrelevant to my experience with 120, 140, 154, and 160-gr bullets out of my 7mm-08s?

Lee,

You have taken deflecting to a higher art form. You still have not backed up a SINGLE claim you have made, whether it be about hunting, shooting, engineering, programming, writing code, working with walnut, bending stocks using liquid anhydrous ammonia, experience with M40s, explaining how you shot with the Army MTU in 1968 and yet still drill at the armory, still in service 39 years later, etc., etc., etc.

Lee, I will go ahead and say that you are a pathological liar. On top of that you are a narcissist, and a completely unfounded one at that.

Before you go asking anyone else to prove their experience (which has consequently been done dozens upon dozens of times), you need to back up ONE SINGLE CLAIM THAT YOU HAVE MADE!

Now, as to your questions:

CAS, how many antelope have you shot? - I guarantee it is more than you.

How many deer or antelope have you shot at 300 yards? - EXACTLY at 300 yards, none. At over 300 yards, 7 in the past 3 years, probably close to a dozen in the last 10.

How many deer or antelope have you shot with the 7mm-08? - 11

Have you ever used the 154-gr or 160-gr bullets out of a 7mm-08 on anything, including paper targets? - Well beyond 4000 154s and 160s have gone down the tube of various 7-08s, launched by the movement of my trigger finger. Add in 168s and 175gr bullets, and the figure is well in excess of 10,000 rounds.

With all that alleged experience with the 7mm-08, why don't you post an intelligent answer to the original question about our bullet preference?

Why don't you do what CAS just did... and list your ACTUALL EXPERIENCE? I find it rather indicitive of your character that you'd not abide by the standards that you're holding others to. You asked about actuall experience... he gave it, as did I. We asked about your actuall experience... and you dodge the question. If... and that's a HUGE if... you have actually shot anything with a 130 out of a .270... how does that qualify you to make assumptions of performance of 7mm-08 loads? Especially when you fire at everyone for not having ACTUALL EXPERIENCE with the EXACT bullet in the EXACT caliber in question. You truly are an amazing creature Lee... and it's a shame you missed your calling in life... we can never run short of ner-to-do-well slimey skunks like you in public office. Start answering some dierct questions with some direct answers... or STFU... I'd prefer you do the latter. ~JT

I already did. Exactly how many antelope, what size, and what range do I have to kill with the 120-gr BT and the 160-gr Gameking for it be satisfy you armchair hunters?

You blew off Mule Deer's experience. I doubt Craig Boddington, Jack O'Connor or I have enough, if any of us disagree with your theories.

WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE 7MM BULLETS ON GAME... not MD's, or Boddington's, or O'Connor's... we can use google too.

YOU HAVE TO KILL ONE, AT LEAST. My point is you bash on others for not having EXACT EXPERIENCE WITH EXACT BULLET ON EXACT GAME WITH EXACT CALIBER DURRING EXACTLY THE SAME LUNAR PHASE... but have none yourself. You're a troll... we all know it... yet we continue to feed your ever contradictive ego. I'll refrain from doing so henceforth now and forever on... go ahead now... you can have the last word... no one will believe it anyway. ~JT

I have posted many, MANY times that IME the perfect bullet out of the 7-08 is the 120 TSX. I have backed that up with my observation that it kicks noticeably less and flys noticeably flatter at hunting ranges than heavyweights out of the 7-08. It will outdig bullets of heavier weight due to it's construction once it hits game, and particularly when it hits bone.

The 168gr VLD bullets work great for long range shooting, but their benefits can't really be realized until you get past 600 yards. I have never shot a single large game animal that far, so I have no need to run heavy VLDs for game. Further, were I to consciously try to take game beyond 600 yards, I would choose my 300 Roy, as it whips the 7-08's ass in every category that counts to me in on game performance at those ranges.

Also, go ahead and drop your assertion that I discounted Mule Deers experience. I noted that a 160gr GK would indeed expand at long ranges due to it's ultra-soft construction. The fact that it will expand, does not make it the ideal choice, however. If you re-read MD's post, you will notice that he clearly left out the endorsement of the 160 GK as the ultimate long range game bullet.

The ball's in your court.

Well, finally, you posted your opinion and supported why YOU believe in the 120-gr TSX. Now, maybe some others will try, if they have any experience as a basis for their opinion.

Meanwhile, though I like the 120-gr bullets I have used out of the 7mm-08 (not including the TSX), I don't understand the adamant opposition some people have to the suggestion that the hunter try 140s, 154s and 160s in his rifle, especially if he thinks he might use it for something more than pronghorn and deer.

What works for you doesn't necessarily work for every other hunter. If this one is having good luck with conventional 140-gr bullets on deer, that is where his quest should start, trying a 140-gr BT, SST, Remington Accutip ammo, and Light Magnums.

DDP -

Since your criticism is a baseless false claim about me, it deserves no response. I shouldn't even post this. Feel free to answer the same questions I posed to CAS.