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It definitely happens because I had a 30-06 Grey wolf that did it every time so I am not saying you guys are wrong. Now my 85 finnlight in 6.5x55 is very accurate and has no ejection problems whatsoever.

What is Baloney? Fierce hasn't copied Sako's action. They have, do an internet search, check it out. You don't believe I sent them a scope to mount and test ejection. Well I did. Sent them a Leupold VX3I 40MM. No way I was paying that kind of money for a problem. They agreed to do it. Why would anyone make up a story like that? But if this is the part of my statement you're calling baloney I don't appreciate being called a liar. Proof is below as I posted about this 2018. I would appreciate an apology but won't hold my breath.


Re: Fierce Rifles [Re: Buzzsaw] #12726154 03/17/18
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3 times I've called and talked to two different guys at Fierce. Both were very nice guys and willing to spend some time talking to me. Both have claimed they have fixed the ejection problem. I asked one of guy's how they fixed it and he told me they made the ejection opening larger. I'm not sure how that would help but I'm not an expert on it. Or if they have fixed it maybe they don't want to share their secret. I know I just off loaded a brand new unshot sako 85 finnlight. I tested it for ejection problems before firing it and found unless you were willing to use a high scope mount it was going to hit the turret.

So after talking with one of Gentlemen at Fierce I asked him the following: If I send you my scope will you mount it and check to make sure it doesn't hit the scope, the turrets, or the gun. He said if I sent my scope to them they would do just that. He guaranteed me that wouldn't happen. I also asked because it is wsm that I want them to test for feeding issues he said no problem.

I also sent a letter with my scope that if ejected casings were hitting the scope, turret, or gun, don't bother sending the rifle to me just send back my scope. If all rounds didn't feed flawlessly don't bother sending me the rifle.

We'll see. My scope arrived Yesterday. When and if the rifle comes into the my FFL I will check for all these issues. If it doesn't pass these tests I pull my scope and not except the rifle and have sent right back to them.

They seemed to be honest knowledgeable guys. I hope it works out for me. However it works out I will share my experiences about them. So far I would say they have been good but anxiously awaiting to see what happens.

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Re: Fierce Rifles [Re: Buzzsaw] #12785576 04/10/18
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Well received my scope on Monday. No gun

Adams - how do you know Fierce actually went to the trouble to mount your personal scope on a gun and test it for you? There's a bunch of reason why Fierce may have returned your scope without ever testing it: 1) Fierce decided doing so was too much trouble and just sent it back to you; 2) Just because one guy on the phone says he'll do it doesn't mean management is gonna let that happen; 3) Fierce sensed a high maintenance customer and decided it was best to just move on; 4) Fierce decided they coudn't represent a rifle as brand new if they had mounted someone's personal scope on it, and then the buyer rejected the gun.

BTW, I've got two Fierce Edge rifles, and neither has any ejection problems. Not saying it can't/won't happen to someone else's Fierce rifle. Just, I've had no problems with the two rifles I personally own and use. I did a bunch of research before buying my first Fierce rifle, and nowhere did I see any 1st hand reports of ejected cartridges hitting the scope or top of the action.

Really??? Some guys go to any lengths to defend things they own. Try to be helpful to someone and this is what you get. These sites are always a hoot. Bye.

I apologize. I was actually being playful but that certainly wasn’t conveyed in my response.

Given you made the aforementioned stipulation to Fierce & they simply returned your scope, I’d say that tells you what you need to know.

I called & spoke with Fierce with a 95% resolve to purchase a rifle as I firmly believe a Sako 85 is the most gun you can get on a commercially built gun. When I suggested their action was a Sako 85 with the scope base dovetail milled off the guy went berserk on me, squawking that their action was proprietary and shared zero attributes with the Sako action. Politely excused myself and ordered my custom from Borden.

Honestly, did not intend to ruffle your feathers. Sorry.

Yep, they even copied the magazine. The action however is made by bombardier under contract.

I had Sako 85 Finnlights in 30-06, 25-06 and 7mm-08 and never had any ejection issues. They are accurate rifles and I will probably pick another one 308.

A discussion on the ejection properties of Fierce rifles.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/12727013/fierce-rifles

I’ve always ran 75’s. Never had issues out of them. I noticed OP post said he wanted to mount scope as low as possible...if you use the proprietary mounts xtra low still won’t be really low. I’ve put up to 45mm scope bells on the extra low mounts. They are fine rifles, I just sold all mine except a 300wsm. Only one I miss is the 243 win. It was a laser. 260, 6.5x55 and 7-08 all shot teal well....I wouldn’t go 85 myself.

I totally agree.
I have seen this issue firsthand working at two gunshops & seen enough cases outside of work where it’s evident Sako [bleep] this design up!
I have had no issues with my old Sako L579 or 75 but the 85’s are certainly a gamble. Beretta will ask you to install higher mounts to solve the issue, which is total horsesh!t. It’s true, some 85’s don’t do this but as Adam’s stated many wouldn’t even know it did until the empty case hits your turret-cap & falls back into the action, meaning some are worse than others. Check your scope for nicks.
I certainly won’t be buying one & mounting my Kahles or Swarovski on it haha. I like X-bolts but I don’t own one now.

Buy a Blaser R8 & live a little

Before Tikkas took off the sakos did just ok imo. Now that tikkas are everywhere, and sako has seriously jacked up their prices, I'd go with a Tikka every day.

That's a "no brainer'. Better price and much better function.

I would rather go "down" to a Tikka T3X Superlite or up if you could find one, to a Barrett Fieldcraft.

Just to add to the confusion. I had Accuflite arms put together a custom Sako 85, in 300 Win Mag, as My Brother in law did the year before. I've taken game all over, at amazing distances, and couldn't be happier! It's the ultimate hunting rifle fir me! I own many Hunting Rifles and have used a lot! I know it's pricey, ans with the Swarovski scope, it works for me! No issues!

Yeah, I have owned several model 85's and the ejection issue absolutely does exist but only on some rifles (I can't explain that one) but the design of an action with the ejection blade at 6 O'clock is a goat [bleep] for sure, it amazing that a rifle designer would think thats a good idea....Oh yeah and Beretta wont help you either, I sent a Model 85 Finnlight back to Beretta that had the worst straight up ejection of any model 85 I ever owned and they told me the rifle was in spec and ejected a spent case as it was designed to do and basically go pound sand!....I sold all my 85's and dont miss them one bit, I also think they are a bit overpriced when compared to a Tikka T3x and a few other excellent bolt action rifles for way less money.....Good luck...Hb

I have had two Sakos, one had the ejection issue one didn't. I prefer the Cooper or X-bolt. It's your money buy what ever floats your boat.

Not to mention the Tikka action is nearly identical to a Sako TRG-22/42 action. Just "sporterized" and made lighter.
Both can use the TRG-22/42 trigger.
Uses Sako Barrels.
Made by the same people that make Sako rifles.
On the same machines.


Now, the perfect Sako would be:
A or L series actions ( they where nearly identical )
Sako 75 bolt.. with M16 extractor
Tikka dovetails

Basically a square bridge push-feed M98..


But, I am afraid Sako is spiraling down with S20 type actions.... Sad.