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I won't down play someone's choice of wearing a mask, or getting the shot. Your choice.

The more the govt pushes this shot, the more I'm a skeptic.

For a bug that has such a high survivability rate, I'm not buying it right now.

They say you need a booster but they don't even know when your gonna need it.

It's not a vaccine

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I have to wonder about the science education of the anti vaccine folks. Please explain how it is not a vaccine and where you get your vast sum of medical knowledge. As an aside in the not to distant future, I think you won’t be getting on a plane without a vaccine card......And I don’t think Clorox IV’s and enemas are the answer.

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Jdollar, how many booster shots have you had for smallpox, polio, etc? Those are vaccines.

Even the experts are saying these covid shots may not protect you for upcoming variations. It's a glorified flu shot. I'm not saying it may not help, I just want more testing.

You want the shot, knock yourself out, just like your choice I choose to wait.

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Originally Posted by raghorn
The vaccines are not “untested” as they all passed clinical trials.
The long term effects are not known as the only way to know is wait long term
I am no more afraid of covid vaccinations than any other vaccinations such a hepatitis tetanus mmr etc
The main befit for me is that once vaccinated I am no longer considering a contact
That means I no longer have to quarantine once exposed
My kids have also been vaccinated so they are no longer considered a contact if exposed
So now they go to school as normal and cannot be sent home if they are “exposed”



This country is in this totalitarian mess because of beta male simpletons like you who bent over, spread their cheeks and took it all... when you should have been defiant and demanded and fought for your freedom, but you got on your knees and got busy.... they really got to you with the fear mongering and sky is falling bullshyte didn't they ? Bet you worship your new angry diety "Climate Change" with passion & reverence just like you prostrated yourself to your scary god Covid-19

People like you is why this country is falling apart, you are directly responsible for every inch of freedom lost since this scamdemic operation began

Pity the fool


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Originally Posted by jdollar
I have to wonder about the science education of the anti vaccine folks. Please explain how it is not a vaccine and where you get your vast sum of medical knowledge. As an aside in the not to distant future, I think you won’t be getting on a plane without a vaccine card......And I don’t think Clorox IV’s and enemas are the answer.

The only way it is a vaccine is because they changed the definition of vaccine. It is the first of its kind. And importantly, it is not really designed to immunize. It is designed to reduce the severity of infections. I will gladly compare resumes with you if you like.


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Originally Posted by raghorn
The vaccines are not “untested” as they all passed clinical trials.
The long term effects are not known as the only way to know is wait long term
I am no more afraid of covid vaccinations than any other vaccinations such a hepatitis tetanus mmr etc
The main befit for me is that once vaccinated I am no longer considering a contact
That means I no longer have to quarantine once exposed
My kids have also been vaccinated so they are no longer considered a contact if exposed
So now they go to school as normal and cannot be sent home if they are “exposed”

they passed very limited tests compared to true vaccines. Post positive test and follow-up negative test you had organic protection and should not have been considered for the shot. If you got last years flu they would never suggest you get last years flu shot.


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I’m not here recommending or not recommending the vaccine
To each his own
I’m simply calling out your bullshit and dribbling
The reason American is headed in the direction it seems to be headed is because of morons like you screaming the sky is falling and nobody calls you out on it
So I’ll put it plainly so even you can understand
You calling a private health care company nazis because they require immunizations to work for them is stupid
You are full of [bleep] !


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by jdollar
I have to wonder about the science education of the anti vaccine folks. Please explain how it is not a vaccine and where you get your vast sum of medical knowledge. As an aside in the not to distant future, I think you won’t be getting on a plane without a vaccine card......And I don’t think Clorox IV’s and enemas are the answer.

The only way it is a vaccine is because they changed the definition of vaccine. It is the first of its kind. And importantly, it is not really designed to immunize. It is designed to reduce the severity of infections. I will gladly compare resumes with you if you like.

You do realize that there are more than one kind of vaccine available
If you don’t like the spike protein ones you have the Johnson and Johnson one that’s old school


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Originally Posted by Joel/AK
Jdollar, how many booster shots have you had for smallpox, polio, etc? Those are vaccines.

Even the experts are saying these covid shots may not protect you for upcoming variations. It's a glorified flu shot. I'm not saying it may not help, I just want more testing.

You want the shot, knock yourself out, just like your choice I choose to wait.


Smallpox has been eradicated and I got a polio booster 6 years ago before a hunt in Cameroon, per CDC reccomendation. I also get tetanus booster every 10 years. Just because a booster is required doesn’t mean a drug isn’t a vaccine. And it sure as [bleep] isn’t full of toxic poisons. Yes, it’s essentially a flu shot because COVID is essentially the flu. And flu viruses mutate, requiring boosters. It’s not a coincidence that new cases of COVID have dropped dramatically in line with the rapid rate of vaccination. The families of 600,000 dead Americans probably wish a vaccine had been available sooner. BTW, a vaccine is anything injected into the body to stimulate the immune system mount an immune response when the body is exposed to a foreign protein or pathogen. I learned that in med school 50 years ago and it’s still true.......

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by jdollar
I have to wonder about the science education of the anti vaccine folks. Please explain how it is not a vaccine and where you get your vast sum of medical knowledge. As an aside in the not to distant future, I think you won’t be getting on a plane without a vaccine card......And I don’t think Clorox IV’s and enemas are the answer.

The only way it is a vaccine is because they changed the definition of vaccine. It is the first of its kind. And importantly, it is not really designed to immunize. It is designed to reduce the severity of infections. I will gladly compare resumes with you if you like.


Let me think a second. Reduces the chance of infection by 95%, reduces the likelihood of hospitalization by 100%. Sounds like a vaccine to me. And just because it’s the first of its kind, doesnt make that any less true. Something or someone always has to be first.....

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Originally Posted by jdollar
Originally Posted by Joel/AK
Jdollar, how many booster shots have you had for smallpox, polio, etc? Those are vaccines.

Even the experts are saying these covid shots may not protect you for upcoming variations. It's a glorified flu shot. I'm not saying it may not help, I just want more testing.

You want the shot, knock yourself out, just like your choice I choose to wait.


Smallpox has been eradicated and I got a polio booster 6 years ago before a hunt in Cameroon, per CDC reccomendation. I also get tetanus booster every 10 years. Just because a booster is required doesn’t mean a drug isn’t a vaccine. And it sure as [bleep] isn’t full of toxic poisons. Yes, it’s essentially a flu shot because COVID is essentially the flu. And flu viruses mutate, requiring boosters. It’s not a coincidence that new cases of COVID have dropped dramatically in line with the rapid rate of vaccination. The families of 600,000 dead Americans probably wish a vaccine had been available sooner. BTW, a vaccine is anything injected into the body to stimulate the immune system mount an immune response when the body is exposed to a foreign protein or pathogen. I learned that in med school 50 years ago and it’s still true.......


Oh boy we have a mask wearing believer.. let me guess you voted for Biden.. What next you have to tell an employer you are HIV positive??


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Originally Posted by jdollar
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by jdollar
I have to wonder about the science education of the anti vaccine folks. Please explain how it is not a vaccine and where you get your vast sum of medical knowledge. As an aside in the not to distant future, I think you won’t be getting on a plane without a vaccine card......And I don’t think Clorox IV’s and enemas are the answer.

The only way it is a vaccine is because they changed the definition of vaccine. It is the first of its kind. And importantly, it is not really designed to immunize. It is designed to reduce the severity of infections. I will gladly compare resumes with you if you like.


Let me think a second. Reduces the chance of infection by 95%, reduces the likelihood of hospitalization by 100%. Sounds like a vaccine to me. And just because it’s the first of its kind, doesnt make that any less true. Something or someone always has to be first.....


You are an idiot..


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Originally Posted by raghorn
I’m not here recommending or not recommending the vaccine
To each his own
I’m simply calling out your bullshit and dribbling
The reason American is headed in the direction it seems to be headed is because of morons like you screaming the sky is falling and nobody calls you out on it
So I’ll put it plainly so even you can understand
You calling a private health care company nazis because they require immunizations to work for them is stupid
You are full of [bleep] !


Lol oh man hello pot.. You ph uckers ran around for a year yelling we all were going to die. You dumb sob fell for the lie, you are too damn dumb to realize it. Also majority of those folks that died had other medical issues.. you are an idiot


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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego.

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Do tell.
Glad you are are only one able to figure stuff out .
Maybe just maybe the rest of us can survive without your knowledge
Good luck to ya


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Have you ever watched the TV ads of legal firms who are continually bringing class action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies on behalf of the victims of drugs that were once considered safe but were then found to cause all kinds of physical problems? And those were drugs that went through years of rigorous trials before being approved by the FDA. some times it takes a while for the problems to manifest themselves in people. Yet there are already tons of problems with these "vaccines", and it is still early on in the game.

I will not be getting the "jab". But it does seem that those who don't get one of these concoctions will be restricted, marginalized, berated, and coerced by those who have done it, and by the powers that be. We got a taste of that with the maskers, but this will be worse. I really don't mind when people take all these measures, that is their problem, but I do really mind when they attempt to force others to follow them, or else. This is about fear and control. Those in power tasted just how much control they had over the populace during the pandemic, how the populace readily and willingly went along with the lockdowns and other measures, and now those leaders don't really want to lose that power.

Anyway, how will we know how successful the vaccines are? Will the survival rate for Covid 19 go from 99.7 to 99.8? According to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System — VAERS — which is managed by the CDC and the FDA, about 4000 people have died as a result of a COVID 19 vaccine. Many more have experienced extreme side affects.

I think someday down the line there will be some really bad mojo for those who have been vaxed. There will be lots of lawsuits as well... that is, if the government doesn't try to cover it up. You know, that government that experimented with LSD on soldiers, allowed African Americans to die of syphilis, exposed Alaska Native women to doses of radioactive material and sterilized countless other Native American women... yeah, that government.

BTW, if a person doesn't go along with the program, or questions how things are being done, it isn't long before those who are cooperating with the authorities start throwing out the Qanon diatribe. I had to look it up to see what that was. All this time I thought it was a good idea to be skeptical and question authority.

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These are the "experts" you follow blindly

does it hurt to be human cattle ? or is it just a fairy tale existence of pure ignorant bliss ?

with all the shady shyte that happened and is happening now, don't you question anything ? It's appalling how stupid people can be, to trade away their rights & freedoms for a tiny bit of security... Security that imprisons you permanently, once that needle discharges that venom into your bloodstream, there is no turning back, you're marked for life, like cattle awaiting slaughter
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Originally Posted by raghorn
I’ve been in healthcare since the late 80’s and requiring vaccines as a condition of employment has been around for a long time.
That’s nothing new.
You guys do realize that yes you can refuse
However the company also has the right to require it
What you don’t have is the right to work for the company
Either meet their requirements or move on
It’s that simple


I spent my professional life in healthcare and in general......you’re wrong. A company cannot make a policy that violates the law.

A company does not enjoy “rights”, at least not by the accurate definition of “rights”. The individual has “rights” and those rights generally trump company policy. While a company can institute policies those policies can’t ignore the law. Just because a company gets away with violations on a daily basis that doesn’t mean that their policies are legal. Those policies are only “good” until they’ve been adjudicated in court. Getting away with something doesn’t mean it’s lawful. 😉


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Originally Posted by jdollar
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by jdollar
I have to wonder about the science education of the anti vaccine folks. Please explain how it is not a vaccine and where you get your vast sum of medical knowledge. As an aside in the not to distant future, I think you won’t be getting on a plane without a vaccine card......And I don’t think Clorox IV’s and enemas are the answer.

The only way it is a vaccine is because they changed the definition of vaccine. It is the first of its kind. And importantly, it is not really designed to immunize. It is designed to reduce the severity of infections. I will gladly compare resumes with you if you like.


Let me think a second. Reduces the chance of infection by 95%, reduces the likelihood of hospitalization by 100%. Sounds like a vaccine to me. And just because it’s the first of its kind, doesnt make that any less true. Something or someone always has to be first.....

And where do you get those numbers? It is laughable to think someone claiming to have gone to med school is that gullible. There certainly are new ways of treating people, but just because it is injected or new does not determine if it is a vaccine.


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Originally Posted by jdollar
Originally Posted by Joel/AK
Jdollar, how many booster shots have you had for smallpox, polio, etc? Those are vaccines.

Even the experts are saying these covid shots may not protect you for upcoming variations. It's a glorified flu shot. I'm not saying it may not help, I just want more testing.

You want the shot, knock yourself out, just like your choice I choose to wait.


Smallpox has been eradicated and I got a polio booster 6 years ago before a hunt in Cameroon, per CDC reccomendation. I also get tetanus booster every 10 years. Just because a booster is required doesn’t mean a drug isn’t a vaccine. And it sure as [bleep] isn’t full of toxic poisons. Yes, it’s essentially a flu shot because COVID is essentially the flu. And flu viruses mutate, requiring boosters. It’s not a coincidence that new cases of COVID have dropped dramatically in line with the rapid rate of vaccination. The families of 600,000 dead Americans probably wish a vaccine had been available sooner. BTW, a vaccine is anything injected into the body to stimulate the immune system mount an immune response when the body is exposed to a foreign protein or pathogen. I learned that in med school 50 years ago and it’s still true.......

I call bullshit. Your language and statements indicate you are blowing smoke. 50 years ago there was nothing like the covid "vaccine" and the definitions at the time would not include the current "vaccine." The definitions in place a year ago would not allow it either. Investigate the word attenuated. Better yet, give a single example of a vaccine from 40+ years ago that fit the newest definitions. Or 10 years ago.

Proper math shows the numbers of asymptomatic covid carriers probably had far more to do with the decline in new cases.

The families of 600,000 dead Americans are probably wondering how they came up with that cause of death. 2018, 2019, and 2020 have remarkably similar numbers of dead people according to the CDC. So Covid cured a bunch of diseases.


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Originally Posted by sayak
Have you ever watched the TV ads of legal firms who are continually bringing class action lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies on behalf of the victims of drugs that were once considered safe but were then found to cause all kinds of physical problems? And those were drugs that went through years of rigorous trials before being approved by the FDA. some times it takes a while for the problems to manifest themselves in people. Yet there are already tons of problems with these "vaccines", and it is still early on in the game.

I will not be getting the "jab". But it does seem that those who don't get one of these concoctions will be restricted, marginalized, berated, and coerced by those who have done it, and by the powers that be. We got a taste of that with the maskers, but this will be worse. I really don't mind when people take all these measures, that is their problem, but I do really mind when they attempt to force others to follow them, or else. This is about fear and control. Those in power tasted just how much control they had over the populace during the pandemic, how the populace readily and willingly went along with the lockdowns and other measures, and now those leaders don't really want to lose that power.

Anyway, how will we know how successful the vaccines are? Will the survival rate for Covid 19 go from 99.7 to 99.8? According to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System — VAERS — which is managed by the CDC and the FDA, about 4000 people have died as a result of a COVID 19 vaccine. Many more have experienced extreme side affects.

I think someday down the line there will be some really bad mojo for those who have been vaxed. There will be lots of lawsuits as well... that is, if the government doesn't try to cover it up. You know, that government that experimented with LSD on soldiers, allowed African Americans to die of syphilis, exposed Alaska Native women to doses of radioactive material and sterilized countless other Native American women... yeah, that government.

BTW, if a person doesn't go along with the program, or questions how things are being done, it isn't long before those who are cooperating with the authorities start throwing out the Qanon diatribe. I had to look it up to see what that was. All this time I thought it was a good idea to be skeptical and question authority.

not to worry about ambulance chasers with this one... they are being held harmless for any bad outcomes...


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