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Gotcha.

In hindsight I guess I was speaking to Jerkoff's specific comment. LOL

I was thinking more regional/geographic when you asked.

I don't have an issue with unions, unless the union is using their power as labor extortion against the company. I do remember talking with a union guy years ago about his pension/retirement fund and coming to the conclusion he was getting royally screwed. He certainly would have been better off creating his own 401K and rolling money into it. However, the difference is that with the union retirement, he didn't have to think or do anything himself, similar to social security. Social security is always there, regardless of all the bad life choices you make.

Private sector unions? Why not? If a group of workers want to bargain collectively, more power to ‘em. If they’re skilled, it’s just good business. They shouldn’t complain when management tries to replace them. That’s just good business, too. Each side is free to agree to any contract they choose. Strikers got no right to threaten the replacements. That nonsense needs to be squashed.

Public sector unions? Forget it. The folks paying the tab (taxpayers) don’t even have a seat at the bargaining table.

Abused workers....that is funny.


What are ya? Indentured servants?

What is a corporation? A group of people who come together to act in their mutual self interest. They are legally considered a person.

What is a union? A group of people who come together to act in their mutual self interest.


Can't see the difference.

Point to the place on your doll were the mean Union man touched you, you Trans gender freak.

Unions are pretty much small gov'ts. Unions take dues, gov'ts take taxes. Sometimes you get elected officials you hate, like Biden /Harris, Shuler, Pelosi, AOC, etc...I am not quitting my country because I have $hitty elected officials

quote, "And when you die, the Union keeps all the money you paid into your retirement pension and all the interest it generated. Find a 401K , IRA, or similar personal or company based retirement account that keeps all your money when you die. If a company such as Morgan Stanley invested your money for 30 years, and kept it after you died they would be in prison in a heart beat."

I guess just like social security?

Someone I know was in a construction union and there is a death benefit of about $200,000 if he dies before he retires. If he dies after retirement, 200000 minus what he has collected from his pension. He does have a 401K and IRA's also. He did retire at 59 and gets his pension plus medical.

Pretty simple, really...

Nowadays, as long as they treat employees respectfully, fairly and equally, pay fair wages and benefits and provide as safe as practical working environment, there's not any reason for an employer to ever be concerned with employees voting for labor union representation.

There are countless nonunion examples as proof...

Ummm, the corporation provides the livelihood for all the people in the union. The corporation provides wealth, jobs, and expansion. The corporation invests its own money and takes great risk to do these things.

Unions are the parasites that affix themselves.

Yeah.

We’ll see if the hospital cited in the OP provides better service to its users.

I’ll wager it will be the customer that suffers.

I bet price fixing and rent control are popular with the union boys.

So to recap,

The proud unionistas here are ok with nurses striking (so long as other nurses are brought in to do the work they refuse to) and are ok with the truck drivers refusing to deliver medical supplies (so long as there are other folks willing to do the work they refuse to).

We’re not talking about Home Depot not getting a delivery of lawn mowers.

[bleep] your unions.

I think its funny that the nurses are okay with scabs coming in.

What a bunch of participation trophy numbnuts.

They had to publicly say that. Otherwise the whole “standard of care” lie wouldn’t pass anyone’s sniff test.

In my experience pay or unions don't dictate the how the employee works.
It's a personal thing, and the leadership of management that's key.
Have used hospitals that are union and not.
In the same big system, but different towns.
Care seems to be the same.
Pay to the staff isn't.
How management and staff interact isn't either.
The union staff aren't as happy. (Or else they are just free to say that)
But from the patient view it looks the same.
I only know the difference do to chatting up the staff, and knowing
some personally.


Have heard the stories of union protections,that are bizarre haven't experienced it in my time. But things chang and im not that old.


Lot of guys in my plant have deserved discipline.
Mostly never happens.
Not because the union blocked it. Or got it reversed.
But management simply doesn't manage.
Last several years, they have fired 3 or 4.
Ironically, I've been pissed when it happened.
Some of the issues weren't really at termination level.
Some weren't handled correctly.
In every case, those guys leaving was a good thing. They werent good workers.

But, again, management didn't do their job. Nor did the union.
Every time this happens, the protection for an innocent worker is weakened.
And that's what it's about.

Notice, I'm not defending these people.
Simply the process of giving warnings, the steps required.
And ours are boilerplate.

Verbal, written, 3 days off, termination.
With a list of more serious infractions that skip steps
or go straight to termination.
The same as most non union places.

Dillonbuck you are one of the very few level headed union guys on here.

That ain't no schit Gruff.

The union shop over west is a schit show.

The union bosses and brown nosers got together with the company men to screw the union workers.


Who would have thought?

It’s a fugking lie.

They’d rather get pics of bodies stacking like cordwood so they could elevate their hero status.

Entitled kgunts.