Ideal? It sheds about 30% of its weight on impact but it's OK.
I think the 155 Terminal Ascent (if you want high BC+velocity and weight retention) and 175 A-Frames (if you want OK BC/low velocity but incredible terminal performance) are both more useful personally. But there's nothing wrong with the Accubond.
With free shipping, if you order two boxes it ends up being about a five dollar difference per box. But obviously in your case if ordering 25 units, it adds up.
I was mostly thinking relative to the prices that I have been seeing at other places, such as $55 a box at Midway - obviously on the higher the higher end of the price spectrum.
At any rate, just wanted to give KK and other folks a heads up.
I would say they are just about ideal and easier to get to shoot right from the start than the 168 ABLR. Les Bowman thought the 160 Partition and the 7RM was the ideal elk rifle and I would have to agree, the AB is more of the same.
I would agree that a 160AB at 3000ish would be a great all around load. But to be "ideal", it seems to me one would need to know the purpose of the load. I would chose a lighter bullet for deer. YMMV
I shoot both the 150gr Ballistic Tip and the 160gr Accubond out of my 7mags.I get quicker kills with the Ballistic Tip.Being a non-bonded bullet,it makes a little larger wound channel,but I still always get exits.Both bullets are great and I feel confident with either one.I noticed on Nosler's website the showed a 160gr Ballistic Tip.I don't think they are on the market yet,but it should be a really good bullet.Heck I wouldn't mind seeing a 175gr Ballistic Tip.
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I check the website twice a day and good thing, they weren’t listed this morning.
Guess you bought'em all...
Agree that the 7RM with 160 NAB's over RL-26 is a combo that's hard to beat.
I loaded same for bud's last PG trip and have more loaded for the next one. I used 67 gr. RL-26 and out of the 26" Sendero, they're running around 3K fps. with sub MOA accuracy at 400 yds.
Terminal performance was great, even the PH was impressed. Bud can shoot, which helps.
my 7 mag LOVES 160 accubonds. in fact it shoots the federal factory load with them into half inch groups (factory 700 BDL). i may try some in my 28 Nosler too
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I think that you're on to a good thing, a good 160 grain bullet at about 3,000 fps from a 7mm Rem Mag is a deadly combination, and often quite accurate. The Accubond has a fine record of success! I've never used that particular Accubond, the 160 grain/7mm version, but from what I've seen of others, it should be good, real good.
Last fall I shot a fat 3x3 muley at about 150 yards, with a 160 grain Sierra SPBT Gameking, launched at about 3,050 fps. One shot kill.
I'd think that your 160 gr Accubond would do just as well or even better.
I think that you're on to a good thing, a good 160 grain bullet at about 3,000 fps from a 7mm Rem Mag is a deadly combination, and often quite accurate. The Accubond has a fine record of success! I've never used that particular Accubond, the 160 grain/7mm version, but from what I've seen of others, it should be good, real good.
Last fall I shot a fat 3x3 muley at about 150 yards, with a 160 grain Sierra SPBT Gameking, launched at about 3,050 fps. One shot kill.
I'd think that your 160 gr Accubond would do just as well or even better.
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Would be hard to do better than that. I've found SGK bullets to be very accurate. The 140 gr. SGK HPBT is the most accurate in my Hart barreled, 7-08 over BG powder and a killer with good exits. Holds together well on WT's.
Overall, I think the NAB is probably a tougher bullet, also with excellent accuracy and terminal performance. I'd pick it over the SGK on bigger, tougher critters. WT's and such, not much difference, IME.
My family has killed over 300 whitetails in the South were the limits are liberal with the Sierra 160g btsp, rare to ever seen one run, 280, 280 AI, or 7 mag, IMR 7828 is a great powder for all of these calibers.
The 160 AB at 3k from the 7mm Rem Mag is the best combo possible.
Change my mind.
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Not me. I have a fair number in other calibers myself, untested on game AFIK, unless I used one from my .308 and forgot. The 165 blems get treated the same as BTs here. I buy whichever is on sale.
Well, since you got 1,250 of them coming, they better work! lol
I’ve got a couple of bags of them gathering dust somewhere. The 150 TTSX has done so well I never bothered, particularly now that powder is now formulated with unobtainium. No flies on the AB.
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I use 154 SSTs at 3150 for whitetail and pronghorn. For mule deer and bigger I use 160 ABs at 3050. My 7 shoots both loads under an inch and the recoil is very manageable. I cant think of a better all around package for my usage.
I shot 160 accubonds and H4831 for many years out of a sako 7 Rem mag. I recently built a 7 mag that I was going to shoot 140 bergers in and didn’t have any luck with how they shot. I tried some of my old accu bond reloads for my sako and got 3/4” groups. I never had any complaints with the 160 accubonds. I shot them at about 3025 fps.
I'll raise you one MM + 40 grains at 3000 fps in Rem Mag and call it perfect !
I get what you're saying. It's one heck of a round. But unrelated to what is the ideal bullet in the SEVEN mm Rem Mag. I think the 160 AB is a mighty good one. Ideal? Yeah, maybe so. Plenty of good bullets out there these days. But I loaded up on those 160 AB blems from SPS too. I still think Partitions probably kill a little quicker, but from my limited experience, no flies on the 160 AB. Rex
Pharmseller, Not to change the subject too much but being a 7mm-08 guy how fast in a 22” do you think you can sling one out?
I’ve never tried the 160 AB in my 7mm-08s. I did the math and the lower velocity didn’t offer an advantage over my existing loads. I get 2850 from my 140 AB loads, that’s pretty fast.
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My old man is in his mid 70's and still hunts moose with his Ruger canoe paddle in 7mm Rem Mag, I do the calling, raking & filming, he plugs them in the shoulder with 160 gr Fail Safe bullets ... but that dried up so now I'm working with the Trophy Bonded & Ascent bullets, will see who goes hunting in Sept 2021
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Pharmseller, Not to change the subject too much but being a 7mm-08 guy how fast in a 22” do you think you can sling one out?
I’ve never tried the 160 AB in my 7mm-08s. I did the math and the lower velocity didn’t offer an advantage over my existing loads. I get 2850 from my 140 AB loads, that’s pretty fast.
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Yea, I’ve run the numbers and for the parameters I want nothing past the 150s jive.
I realized that I’m not going to shoot far enough for BC to be relevant. No complaints with the ELDX but I like the construction of the AB better.
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Agree 100%. Some of your previous posts almost got me to try them, but I’ve had such good luck with accubonds and even partitions I never switched. Currently shooting both the 160 and 150 accubonds in the 7mag. No complaints here.
My old man is in his mid 70's and still hunts moose with his Ruger canoe paddle in 7mm Rem Mag, I do the calling, raking & filming, he plugs them in the shoulder with 160 gr Fail Safe bullets ... but that dried up so now I'm working with the Trophy Bonded & Ascent bullets, will see who goes hunting in Sept 2021
I remember reading an article by Col. Charles Askins, who took the then new 7mm Rem Mag to Alaska to shoot a Brown Bear. he used the factory 175CL. His comments, if I remember right, were "Why Remington chose the 175gr is a mystery to me as "everyone knows" that the 7mm Caliber is best "balanced" by the 160gr"! Admittedly, I've killed more game with the 150 and 175 than the 160. I can't see where the 160 NAB would NOT work, on about anything!
I remember reading an article by Col. Charles Askins, who took the then new 7mm Rem Mag to Alaska to shoot a Brown Bear. he used the factory 175CL. His comments, if I remember right, were "Why Remington chose the 175gr is a mystery to me as "everyone knows" that the 7mm Caliber is best "balanced" by the 160gr"! Admittedly, I've killed more game with the 150 and 175 than the 160. I can't see where the 160 NAB would NOT work, on about anything!
Seems to me the Col, was onto something.
I like 160's with the 7RM, 140's with the 7-08. Not that other combos won't work, those seem pretty well balanced.
I also like the 120 NBT over BG powder with the 7-08. Tough bullet, good accuracy, good velocity, effective at whacking WT's and hogs.
Accubonds kill really well. I used to use the 200g AB in a 300 ultra at just over 3000 MV. That bullet shot length wise almost completely through a younger elk. It did massive damage. I recovered the bullet and still have it. The 130g 6.5 AB kills really well too.
I also use the 260 AB in my 375 ruger. I killed 5 animals with 5 shots in Africa with that load. Including a 55" kudu, a zebra, and a gems buck.
I don't think I've ever killed anything with the 160g 7mm AB. I have no doubt it'll work. I drew a great bull tag this year and may take my 280AI with 168g ABLRs in it. It shoots them under 1/2 moa at about 2900 fps over H1000. The ABLRs are a bit soft but if a close shot presents I could likely put one somewhere it'll work.
I used a 7-08 with the 150g eldx on elk last year and had to shoot an elk twice. Quartering away the 150 didn't look like it even made it to the offside lung. I wasn't pushing them too fast either from the 18" barreled fieldcraft.
I just worked up a new load for that little 7-08 with 180g eldms that's shooting under 1/2 moa at just over 2500fps. Bringing the MV down by adding some bullet weight and increased SD might make these 180s shine in the little 7-08. My old rem 700 faux ti was a killing machine with 162 amaxes.
Accubonds kill really well. I used to use the 200g AB in a 300 ultra at just over 3000 MV. That bullet shot length wise almost completely through a younger elk. It did massive damage. I recovered the bullet and still have it. The 130g 6.5 AB kills really well too.
I also use the 260 AB in my 375 ruger. I killed 5 animals with 5 shots in Africa with that load. Including a 55" kudu, a zebra, and a gems buck.
I don't think I've ever killed anything with the 160g 7mm AB. I have no doubt it'll work. I drew a great bull tag this year and may take my 280AI with 168g ABLRs in it. It shoots them under 1/2 moa at about 2900 fps over H1000. The ABLRs are a bit soft but if a close shot presents I could likely put one somewhere it'll work.
I used a 7-08 with the 150g eldx on elk last year and had to shoot an elk twice. Quartering away the 150 didn't look like it even made it to the offside lung. I wasn't pushing them too fast either from the 18" barreled fieldcraft.
I just worked up a new load for that little 7-08 with 180g eldms that's shooting under 1/2 moa at just over 2500fps. Bringing the MV down by adding some bullet weight and increased SD might make these 180s shine in the little 7-08. My old rem 700 faux ti was a killing machine with 162 amaxes.
Bb
I’ve had to shoot a lot of elk twice, even with a 300 Weatherby Mag.
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With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
Bb
What action and COAL?
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With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
Bb
What action and COAL?
My 7-08 is a Barrett Fieldcraft SA but it has a 3" magbox so I'm loading 180 eldms at 2.96" coal. It is an 8.5 twist. I wish Barrett would bring back the fieldcraft because their short actions with the 3" box and fast twist got it all right.
My 300 wsm is a stiller predator SA cut for a wyatts box so I'm seating the 215 hybrids to 2.974". The regular wyatts never fed well so I modified their straight stack 284 box. It feeds great now but only gives me 2 in the mag. I've never needed more than the 1 in the chamber though.
The 300 wsm match reamer I used had an extra .100" Freebore over Saami spec. I wanted to be able to take advantage of the longer mag box and get the bullets out of the case a bit. This 300 wsm has been very accurate with several different bullets. It shoots 150 ttsx extremely well including one of the best groups I've ever shot with anything. It loved 208 amaxes which is what I had in mind when I built it and spec'd the reamer for. It loves 180 and 200 NABS and several other bullets too. The 215 hybrids typically shoot 1/2 -3/4 moa but are very consistent even at long range and work very well on game. Other bullets are more accurate but the 215's work.
With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
Bb
What action and COAL?
My 7-08 is a Barrett Fieldcraft SA but it has a 3" magbox so I'm loading 180 eldms at 2.96" coal. It is an 8.5 twist. I wish Barrett would bring back the fieldcraft because their short actions with the 3" box and fast twist got it all right.
.My 300 wsm is a stiller predator SA cut for a wyatts box so I'm seating the 215 hybrids to 2.974". The regular wyatts never fed well so I modified their straight stack 284 box. It feeds great now but only gives me 2 in the mag. I've never needed more than the 1 in the chamber though.
The 300 wsm match reamer I used had an extra .100" Freebore over Saami spec. I wanted to be able to take advantage of the longer mag box and get the bullets out of the case a bit. This 300 wsm has been very accurate with several different bullets. It shoots 150 ttsx extremely well including one of the best groups I've ever shot with anything. It loved 208 amaxes which is what I had in mind when I built it and spec'd the reamer for. It loves 180 and 200 NABS and several other bullets too. The 215 hybrids typically shoot 1/2 -3/4 moa but are very consistent even at long range and work very well on game. Other bullets are more accurate but the 215's work.
I run the 160 Accubond at 3090fps in a 26" 700 7mm Rem Mag. Several whitetails, including two big bodied Saskatchewan bucks didn't like it much. Hopefully a Quebec black bear will be the next to take a dose this coming week, then a cow elk this November. From my limited experience, I found the terminal performance to be very good. Plenty of damage. Accuracy has been outstanding in several rifles and calibers. Plus, Nosler now makes a 7mm 160 Ballistic tip to mirror the Accubond, just unbonded, less expensive, and little more rapid and violent terminal performance. Penetration has been complete, as I haven't had an Accubond get stopped yet, not that whitetails are a real challenge to a 160 7mm Accubond, because they aren't, but also have had 7mm-08 140gr Accubonds @ 2825fps pass through both shoulders of mature bucks. I do have a 175 Partition load at 2950fps in the 7 RM that I planned to use for moose in a few years, but I would be very confident in using the 160 Accubond for moose as well, and just might do so. I think it's one of the best all purpose big game bullets available. When you can find them, you better get them. They go off the shelves FAST.
My buddy shot a nice bull with 180 AB out of 300 RUM, Under 100 yards. There Was not a lot left out that recovered bullet. This is just me, and IMO, Either shoot heavy for caliber bullets out of magnums, or monos if you want the velocity. OR, they need to make AB HD with thicker copper side walls, Opposite of ABLR
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All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
Ask buzz about the 140 Accubonds in the 7-08 and elk. He has killed a bunch of them.
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My buddy shot a nice bull with 180 AB out of 300 RUM, Under 100 yards. There Was not a lot left out that recovered bullet. This is just me, and IMO, Either shoot heavy for caliber bullets out of magnums, or monos if you want the velocity. OR, they need to make AB HD with thicker copper side walls, Opposite of ABLR
I've shot a bunch of elk with the 150 swift scirocco. I switched to the 160 accubond at 3050 because I got better accuracy. I shot several elk, mule deer and antelope with great performance. Now I can't find any more. I'm using 150 accubonds only because the 160 are like unicorns.
The 160 AB at 3k from the 7mm Rem Mag is the best combo possible.
Change my mind.
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Unless big bears are on the menu, in which case you might want 175's, it's hard to argue with that.............160 Partitions are as good or better though at a slight loss of BC.
I have been using the 160 AB in my 7mm Rem Mags and in those of several friends and family, for about six years. Shooting 3100fps in 26" barrels, 3050fps in the 24"s, with RL23 and very accurate. We've taken several whitetail, a few were very nice Saskatchewan whitetail bucks on the upper end of body size for deer and several black bear. All bullets exited and caused significant damage to the internal organs. Ranges have been fairly short, and all but one whitetail have dropped at the shot, although I think that has been more a function of the location of the hit. The one made it about 30yds, but it was through the lungs without breaking any shoulders. We have been very pleased with them. I also have a load with RL23 and 175 Partitions that I like and shoots well at 2950fps in 26" barrels and about 2900fps in 24"s, but have not used this bullet on game, although I have complete confidence in it as well. Randy Selby speaks VERY highly of the 7mm 175gr Partition in the 7mm Rem Mag. He also has some detailed and interesting history on that cartridge, as he knew Les Bowman, if you care to look it up.
I think many choose the AB unwisely, but not in your case. The AB requires impact velocity to work as intended. It’s a tough bonded bullet and needs 2,400 fps at impact to do its best, being on the downside of that will affect some of its design intent. It’s a great bullet for magnums and faster loadings in standard cartridges. It’s not as good as a Partition at lower impact velocities, as the Partition is devastating all the way down at 1,800 fps with most standard chamberings and impacts we’ll below 2,200-2,400 fps.
I think many choose the AB unwisely, but not in your case. The AB requires impact velocity to work as intended. It’s a tough bonded bullet and needs 2,400 fps at impact to do its best, being on the downside of that will affect some of its design intent. It’s a great bullet for magnums and faster loadings in standard cartridges. It’s not as good as a Partition at lower impact velocities, as the Partition is devastating all the way down at 1,800 fps with most standard chamberings and impacts we’ll below 2,200-2,400 fps.
Any testing that shows the expansion down that low?
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