Pharmseller, Not to change the subject too much but being a 7mm-08 guy how fast in a 22” do you think you can sling one out?
I’ve never tried the 160 AB in my 7mm-08s. I did the math and the lower velocity didn’t offer an advantage over my existing loads. I get 2850 from my 140 AB loads, that’s pretty fast.
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My old man is in his mid 70's and still hunts moose with his Ruger canoe paddle in 7mm Rem Mag, I do the calling, raking & filming, he plugs them in the shoulder with 160 gr Fail Safe bullets ... but that dried up so now I'm working with the Trophy Bonded & Ascent bullets, will see who goes hunting in Sept 2021
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Pharmseller, Not to change the subject too much but being a 7mm-08 guy how fast in a 22” do you think you can sling one out?
I’ve never tried the 160 AB in my 7mm-08s. I did the math and the lower velocity didn’t offer an advantage over my existing loads. I get 2850 from my 140 AB loads, that’s pretty fast.
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Yea, I’ve run the numbers and for the parameters I want nothing past the 150s jive.
I realized that I’m not going to shoot far enough for BC to be relevant. No complaints with the ELDX but I like the construction of the AB better.
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Agree 100%. Some of your previous posts almost got me to try them, but I’ve had such good luck with accubonds and even partitions I never switched. Currently shooting both the 160 and 150 accubonds in the 7mag. No complaints here.
My old man is in his mid 70's and still hunts moose with his Ruger canoe paddle in 7mm Rem Mag, I do the calling, raking & filming, he plugs them in the shoulder with 160 gr Fail Safe bullets ... but that dried up so now I'm working with the Trophy Bonded & Ascent bullets, will see who goes hunting in Sept 2021
I remember reading an article by Col. Charles Askins, who took the then new 7mm Rem Mag to Alaska to shoot a Brown Bear. he used the factory 175CL. His comments, if I remember right, were "Why Remington chose the 175gr is a mystery to me as "everyone knows" that the 7mm Caliber is best "balanced" by the 160gr"! Admittedly, I've killed more game with the 150 and 175 than the 160. I can't see where the 160 NAB would NOT work, on about anything!
I remember reading an article by Col. Charles Askins, who took the then new 7mm Rem Mag to Alaska to shoot a Brown Bear. he used the factory 175CL. His comments, if I remember right, were "Why Remington chose the 175gr is a mystery to me as "everyone knows" that the 7mm Caliber is best "balanced" by the 160gr"! Admittedly, I've killed more game with the 150 and 175 than the 160. I can't see where the 160 NAB would NOT work, on about anything!
Seems to me the Col, was onto something.
I like 160's with the 7RM, 140's with the 7-08. Not that other combos won't work, those seem pretty well balanced.
I also like the 120 NBT over BG powder with the 7-08. Tough bullet, good accuracy, good velocity, effective at whacking WT's and hogs.
Accubonds kill really well. I used to use the 200g AB in a 300 ultra at just over 3000 MV. That bullet shot length wise almost completely through a younger elk. It did massive damage. I recovered the bullet and still have it. The 130g 6.5 AB kills really well too.
I also use the 260 AB in my 375 ruger. I killed 5 animals with 5 shots in Africa with that load. Including a 55" kudu, a zebra, and a gems buck.
I don't think I've ever killed anything with the 160g 7mm AB. I have no doubt it'll work. I drew a great bull tag this year and may take my 280AI with 168g ABLRs in it. It shoots them under 1/2 moa at about 2900 fps over H1000. The ABLRs are a bit soft but if a close shot presents I could likely put one somewhere it'll work.
I used a 7-08 with the 150g eldx on elk last year and had to shoot an elk twice. Quartering away the 150 didn't look like it even made it to the offside lung. I wasn't pushing them too fast either from the 18" barreled fieldcraft.
I just worked up a new load for that little 7-08 with 180g eldms that's shooting under 1/2 moa at just over 2500fps. Bringing the MV down by adding some bullet weight and increased SD might make these 180s shine in the little 7-08. My old rem 700 faux ti was a killing machine with 162 amaxes.
Accubonds kill really well. I used to use the 200g AB in a 300 ultra at just over 3000 MV. That bullet shot length wise almost completely through a younger elk. It did massive damage. I recovered the bullet and still have it. The 130g 6.5 AB kills really well too.
I also use the 260 AB in my 375 ruger. I killed 5 animals with 5 shots in Africa with that load. Including a 55" kudu, a zebra, and a gems buck.
I don't think I've ever killed anything with the 160g 7mm AB. I have no doubt it'll work. I drew a great bull tag this year and may take my 280AI with 168g ABLRs in it. It shoots them under 1/2 moa at about 2900 fps over H1000. The ABLRs are a bit soft but if a close shot presents I could likely put one somewhere it'll work.
I used a 7-08 with the 150g eldx on elk last year and had to shoot an elk twice. Quartering away the 150 didn't look like it even made it to the offside lung. I wasn't pushing them too fast either from the 18" barreled fieldcraft.
I just worked up a new load for that little 7-08 with 180g eldms that's shooting under 1/2 moa at just over 2500fps. Bringing the MV down by adding some bullet weight and increased SD might make these 180s shine in the little 7-08. My old rem 700 faux ti was a killing machine with 162 amaxes.
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I’ve had to shoot a lot of elk twice, even with a 300 Weatherby Mag.
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With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
Bb
What action and COAL?
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With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
Bb
What action and COAL?
My 7-08 is a Barrett Fieldcraft SA but it has a 3" magbox so I'm loading 180 eldms at 2.96" coal. It is an 8.5 twist. I wish Barrett would bring back the fieldcraft because their short actions with the 3" box and fast twist got it all right.
My 300 wsm is a stiller predator SA cut for a wyatts box so I'm seating the 215 hybrids to 2.974". The regular wyatts never fed well so I modified their straight stack 284 box. It feeds great now but only gives me 2 in the mag. I've never needed more than the 1 in the chamber though.
The 300 wsm match reamer I used had an extra .100" Freebore over Saami spec. I wanted to be able to take advantage of the longer mag box and get the bullets out of the case a bit. This 300 wsm has been very accurate with several different bullets. It shoots 150 ttsx extremely well including one of the best groups I've ever shot with anything. It loved 208 amaxes which is what I had in mind when I built it and spec'd the reamer for. It loves 180 and 200 NABS and several other bullets too. The 215 hybrids typically shoot 1/2 -3/4 moa but are very consistent even at long range and work very well on game. Other bullets are more accurate but the 215's work.
With elk I believe you should keep shooting until they are down and not getting back up. I've been fortunate that most of mine have gone down with one shot. I did have one a few years back that I had to put 3 rounds into of 180g NABS from a 30-06 at about 425 yards.
The one I shot last year with the 7-08 150 eldx the first shot looked like it only penetrated about 6" the 2nd one blew up too at the neck body junction but it put it right down even though it didn't penetrate very deep. I was only running them at a MV of 2650.
The 180s are now shooting great in the little 7-08. So I'll see how they do on game at some point. I'll probably be using something else on the bull tag I drew this fall. My old standby custom 300 wsm with 215 hybrids puts elk down quick so far. It makes tennis ball size holes through deer and antelope. I have several rifles but my 300wsm has earned a lot of trust from me. It's a 24" fluted #4 brux on a stiller predator. It's not too heavy to carry easy and shoots great at long range.
Bb
What action and COAL?
My 7-08 is a Barrett Fieldcraft SA but it has a 3" magbox so I'm loading 180 eldms at 2.96" coal. It is an 8.5 twist. I wish Barrett would bring back the fieldcraft because their short actions with the 3" box and fast twist got it all right.
.My 300 wsm is a stiller predator SA cut for a wyatts box so I'm seating the 215 hybrids to 2.974". The regular wyatts never fed well so I modified their straight stack 284 box. It feeds great now but only gives me 2 in the mag. I've never needed more than the 1 in the chamber though.
The 300 wsm match reamer I used had an extra .100" Freebore over Saami spec. I wanted to be able to take advantage of the longer mag box and get the bullets out of the case a bit. This 300 wsm has been very accurate with several different bullets. It shoots 150 ttsx extremely well including one of the best groups I've ever shot with anything. It loved 208 amaxes which is what I had in mind when I built it and spec'd the reamer for. It loves 180 and 200 NABS and several other bullets too. The 215 hybrids typically shoot 1/2 -3/4 moa but are very consistent even at long range and work very well on game. Other bullets are more accurate but the 215's work.
I run the 160 Accubond at 3090fps in a 26" 700 7mm Rem Mag. Several whitetails, including two big bodied Saskatchewan bucks didn't like it much. Hopefully a Quebec black bear will be the next to take a dose this coming week, then a cow elk this November. From my limited experience, I found the terminal performance to be very good. Plenty of damage. Accuracy has been outstanding in several rifles and calibers. Plus, Nosler now makes a 7mm 160 Ballistic tip to mirror the Accubond, just unbonded, less expensive, and little more rapid and violent terminal performance. Penetration has been complete, as I haven't had an Accubond get stopped yet, not that whitetails are a real challenge to a 160 7mm Accubond, because they aren't, but also have had 7mm-08 140gr Accubonds @ 2825fps pass through both shoulders of mature bucks. I do have a 175 Partition load at 2950fps in the 7 RM that I planned to use for moose in a few years, but I would be very confident in using the 160 Accubond for moose as well, and just might do so. I think it's one of the best all purpose big game bullets available. When you can find them, you better get them. They go off the shelves FAST.
