Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Alaska YES, One more Bear ATTACK.....Still looking for her

Not heard from in 40+ hours.

No bueno.

Cell phones and kayaks.

Great defenses..... Darwinism at work.

Hiker, no bear spray or firearms?

Dang, hate to hear this.

From the article "According to the dispatch report, the woman told her husband she had been charged by multiple bears and was discharging bear spray."

What a terrifying phone call to receive, I hope her husband went up there to try and find her. Multiple bears and probably an exhausted bear spray can, odd aren't to good but hopefully they find her safe somewhere.

And once again someone is finding the limits of bear spray.

The latest update: She is still not been found. They have several teams looking.

As a "Side Note" please notice the thickness of the vegetation. This is more directed towards those who are deeply convinced they will have a "fair" chance of deploying their chosen method of self defense. Sometimes you can't see two feet, and sometimes you can't see two inches.

https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2...ter-she-reported-being-charged-by-bears/

^^ This ^^ one time in Wyoming N.W. corner of Yellowstone Park up in the mountains: Warden told me if you end up killin a bear make sure you spray that bear in the face before i get there ,paper work is easier to fill out then. i smiled and said : ok thank you

I would think they would’ve had a decent starting location for the search based on the last known position of the cell phone.

They got one... she's not around the last pinged location. It's basically a jungle around there, cant see more then a dozen yards in any direction, with lots of ground fauna about knee to waist high.

Update:

She was found alive- walked out on her own... don't have any other details right now

Yes.....Great news. Seems she is "Roughed-up" but no serious injuries.

https://www.frontiersman.com/news/t...395f5cc-ce4e-11eb-afd0-7b2c1f492b52.html

That’s crazy.
Definitely great news.
Will look forward to the full story!

Great outcome, considering the call she made to her hubby at 1:30AM

This got me thinking...If a person wanted to disappear from society. Making a call like the woman did, then chucking her cell phone into the bruh and walk away forever.

Could be a plan.

🦫

The trail is 26 miles round trip if one goes all the way. Going up the trail at say, 0800 would lead to a return to the car late at night.

The trail is remote by lower 48 standards, but not at all by Alaska standards. The trailhead is about 5 miles from me right now. There's a several hundred houses along the road in the area of the trailhead. While I dont underestimate the idiocy of city people, there are far more better areas to disappear than that trail.


fyi, The trooper dispatch says that the TROOPERS got the call at 0129 am. That doesn't equate to the text from her at 0129.

Based on personal experience, trooper dispatches can vary greatly from the truth.

Good deal! Waiting for "the rest of the story".

Link with lots of details and no paywall.

https://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2021/06/16/search-continues-second-day-missing-palmer-hiker/

Great news!

She is safe and sound, all that matters. Injuries sustained from "bushwhacking' after running into bears and after leaving the trail to get away from them it got late and she was probably exhausted, she built a fire and spent a lonely night there and walked out today.

I worked with her for a few years and she used to walk down our road. Nice lady and not a lazy bone in her body. I'm thinking since there was no mention of a moose kill being found on or near the trail, there may have been a boar or two in there chasing sows.

All that matters is she is safe!

From the link:

"Kiefer’s injuries when she was found were not due to any encounter with a bear"

yep great news she is ok ! >>just 1 question just curious does she carry a side arm ? or just pepper spray ?

Report says she was carrying pepper spray and she expended it when one of the bears got too close, no report of her carrying any kind of firearm.

Another report said she did not have any firearm. I am surprised she have fire starting tool of some type,

Good deal. Sounds like she did everything right after losing the trail.

Sounds like the bear spray maybe did work, until she ran out. Time to go double barrel?

I worked for years at GNG in the off season. And advised those who avoid firearms because of the weight, but they are serious hikers/wilderness explorers to consider the 12.5 oz. .357 mag. actually weighs less then the bear spray, and is reloadable. I have about seven hand canons, but often just have my S&W Model 60 3" .357 Mag. just because it is small and near indestructible, and if I miss he bear, and the sound does not scare the poop out of him, the five feet of belch'fire flame should.

Update:

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (KTUU) - Palmer resident Fina Kiefer was resting comfortably Thursday afternoon in her home, a day after she emerged from the woods after getting lost on a hike on the Pioneer Ridge Trail that sparked a massive search effort. She and her husband, Steve Kiefer, were able to share more details about what happened.

“It really makes you aware of what you have,” Fina Kiefer told Alaska’s News Source on Thursday. “I was fighting to see my family again. I was fighting to see my husband and my daughter and my son.”

Although Fina Kiefer, 55, had never been on the trail that leads to Pioneer Peak, Steve Kiefer said his wife is an avid hiker who did the Lazy Mountain Trail “every other day.”

A multi-agency search began on Tuesday for Fina Kiefer after her husband got a message from her requesting help, and saying she had been charged by bears. Volunteers and professional search and rescue teams scoured the trail and surrounding area for her throughout Tuesday and Wednesday, from the ground and air.

Just when the search had been suspended for the night on Wednesday due to deteriorating weather, a volunteer spotted Fina Kiefer coming out of the woods about a mile from the trailhead.
Multiple entities are conducting a search and rescue operation for a hiker in the...
Multiple entities are conducting a search and rescue operation for a hiker in the Matanuska-Susitna Borough after she reported encountering bears along the trail early Tuesday morning.(KTUU)

She left their home Monday about 2 p.m. but Steve Kiefer said he imagined she didn’t start her hike until about 4 p.m. He said he was in contact with Fina several times throughout the evening by cell phone and she assured him she was fine, although the trail was taking longer than anticipated. He said she checked in again at 11 p.m.

Then, at 1 a.m. Tuesday, he received a text saying she’d been charged by two bears and only had half a can of bear spray left.

Steve Kiefer called 911 when he couldn’t get back in touch with Fina. He said it was frightening not knowing what she was experiencing and not being able to communicate. Later, she told him she’d hiked back up the mountain to avoid the bears and had gotten lost off trail. Her cell phone had stopped working.

Fina told her husband she could see helicopters searching for her during the two-day ordeal, but they were never able to spot her in the dense brush. She spent the night in the woods, lighting a fire with water-proof matches she carried and continued to walk down.

Fina Kiefer described making it back down off the mountain and finding herself in someone’s yard.

“And I could have kissed their lawn,” she said.

She said she rang the doorbell of the home, but no one was there. That’s when she went out to the road.

“Four vehicles passed me,” she said. “And I knew I had to get back to the ... parking lot because my vehicle was there, and I could get all my wet clothes off and get in my vehicle and get warm.”

That’s when volunteer searcher Stephen Dunphy found her around 5:30 p.m. Wednesday, and took her back to the search basecamp.

Steve Kiefer said his wife was taken to the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center but released that evening. He was thrilled to have her back at home surrounded by several family members who had flown in from out of state as the ordeal was unfolding. Steve Kiefer said he was amazed at the response to help find her and grateful to everyone who participated in the search.

Fina Kiefer did make it to the top of the Pioneer Peak trail, which had been her goal. But she said it first dawned on her she was in trouble when she realized she had started on the trail too late in the day. It was getting late and she left the trail in an attempt to get back to the parking lot faster.

“I didn’t realize how vigorous the trail was until I was actually on the trail,” she said. “And the second mistake I made was not staying of the trail, trying to go on my own — making my own trail down. And by the time I realized I wasn’t going to make it to the trailhead, the parking lot, my battery of my cell phone was dwindling.”

Fina Kiefer described encountering what she initially thought were moose as she tried to make her way down off the mountain, while she was in a valley.

“Once he turned his head, and we both looked at each other, I knew it was a bear,” she said. “We both looked at each other, and then at that very moment I had to make a decision.

“At that moment I thought, ‘is this the way I’m going to die, God?’” she continued. “He’s charging me and he’s going (from) 50 yards to 25, and I have to turn around, and I stood my ground, grabbed my bear spray and then ... I had to look at him while he’s charging at me. By the time he came about me, about 25 feet, that’s when I said ... I yelled ‘Hey!’ And then I spayed and then he stopped.”

She said the bear hesitated, looking at her. She deployed her bear spray again and yelled at the bear to go. The bear turned around and ran away, along with a second bear that was nearby.

Fina Kiefer said the bears were blocking her way back to the main trail. She climbed back out of the valley, and sent the text to her husband saying she had been charged by bears. It’s the only text he could receive from her before her phone died, and that’s when he alerted the Alaska State Troopers.

She described hearing and seeing the helicopters searching for her on Tuesday, but said they couldn’t see her through the thick brush. While she waited and worked to get off the mountain, she said she ate cranberries and snow.

She found a creek to use as a water source.

At one point while making her way through the brush, Fina Kiefer described falling and hitting her head. As darkness came on Tuesday, she found a place to build a fire with her water-proof matches. She slept on and off through that night.

She described watching the searching helicopters continue to pass her location, even while she had a fire lit.

“I was praying a lot,” Fina Kiefer said.

By Wednesday, she said it was clear the searchers couldn’t see her from the air. With the weather turning, she knew she had to get off the mountain.

She could hear the dogs that were part of one of the search groups, but the people looking couldn’t hear her.

Fina Kiefer said she followed a creek down off the mountain, which led her to the home and the backyard.

She said she thanks the Lord for giving her the ability to make it back alive. She also thanked the first responders and all the people who prayed for her.

“It makes me be so happy that I’m able to hug them again,” she said of her family. “Because nothing else matters if you don’t have that.”





As someone who hiked part of that trail, I can tell you that it's no joke. It's basically a 45 degree jungle hike up to the top of the treeline. There's not many places to bail off, and the terrain/fauna is VERY difficult, even for someone who hikes a lot in the mountains. Reminds me that I need to add gyrojet pencil flares to my hiking day pack.


Edited again:
I used to fly SAR for the AK AR Guard UH-60's. I've been on dozens of SAR's and medevacs. The FLIR is NOT very helpful for stuff like this. It can't see through foliage, and requires a dedicated set of eyeballs to watch it, and steer it. Given the low altitude and speed, the picture is usually too messed up to see a person who is not in the open.

On the tundra, it's great... in a valley in the trees, not so much.

A fire - if possible - would have been helpful to the copter searchers.....

Gotta love happy endings

My wife uses bear spray for walks on the farmers loop bike path w her dog.

In the woods her bear spray is housed in a glock 29 in a chest holster

If I’m w her it’s housed in a 45/70 guide gun. F a bunch of handguns I’ve carried a rifle for many years

She built a fire using the "waterproof" matches she had in her "survival" gear. The bottom line is she was better prepared, better experienced, and better skilled, and in better physical condition, then nearly all of the computer experts including this forum.

That's pretty bad ass that she hikes Lazy 3-4 times a week, but I still don't understand someone deciding to tackle Pioneer and starting off at 4:00pm. That's a solid 10 hour hike, maybe a little less if your in really good shape, and coming back down through the woods in the middle of the night, in a fairly heavily populated bear area, is probably not a very good idea. I'm glad it all turned out good for her.

I doubt that.

She made some questionable decisions.

I never have. Just really stupid ones at times!

I've got one of those 3" Model 60's and a 2.5" Model 19... Just this year I got some of Buffalo Bore's 180 grain rompin' stompin' 357 ammo... Oh my goodness!

It's accurate, no doubt, but my goodness that stuff has a bark and a lot of recoil from those fairly light/compact revolvers. Still, I carry that ammo when hiking or fishing in bear country.

Guy

It hurts on both ends!

Just like BB 305 gr @ 1325 FPS in a .44.

Thanks, but I'll keep packing around my Dad's '94. I like it better than the Python.

What about when I'm fishing? A gill net leaves both hands free......

This is an older video but bear Spray doesn't always work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOQAhKrOOww

A long-time very good friend of the lady added some details... she is Alaska Native and a tough, very smart woman.

One thing that is "Telling" is that on many outdoor hunting forums...."Bad'ass" Rugged Outdoorsmen, are asking, "Why in the hell would anyone be hiking "alone" at 1:AM on an Alaska Trail. hmmm

What does that “tell”?

Tells me that "SOME" who pretend to be Bad'ass super rugged Outdoorsmen......are likely scared of the dark. Especially "Alone" on a mountain in the dark. My point was.....should there be any un-clarity.........that many are quick to judge and armchair quarter back the miss-adventures of others quickly into a thread, before learning that she likely has far more wilderness skills and experience then they fantasize they possess.

I expected the worst.

Sadly......many Alaskans carry little or zero "survival gear". This is especially true on "Day-hikes".

maybe some including myself may have learned a little from what has been posted ? none of us are perfect , from my past experiences with grizzly and black bears is i always carry a sidearm now ,i leave the bear spray in the truck unless i need it for paper work.

I learned to always take a gun with you for protection.

I like that one 😂

Bear spray...






GR

You are assuming quite a bit RE: the story.

No mention of "day-hike."

No mention of actually being "on the trail" at 1:00A.

Having your camp raided at night, because you left food out, could happen to any hunter/outdoorsman ignorant/stupid enough to do so.

Relyin' only on bear spray is also telling.




GR

The Next day.



Thanks for the drama of a 55 year old woman hikin' in bear country, at night, armed only w/ bear spray (and possibly hot flashes).




GR