Do 7.62 AR10s really have a place anymore? A 6.5 is superior for external ballistics, even out of 14.5/16 barrels based on numbers I ran, and will have better hit probability in wind. Is there any reason other than perhaps barrel life to have one of these anymore?
When I was shopping for an AR10 a few years back, primarily for hog and deer hunting, I was looking at both chamberings. I wound up picking the .308 for my needs. Ammo was plentiful for both chamberings, but the .30cal offerings are a bit better on blood trails. I wasn't looking at shots past 300-350yds.
Run the ballistics on a 308 with a 155 Scenar at 2850 FPS. The drop is manageable out to 600 yards by an experienced shooter, well beyond by a very experienced shooter.
There are no flies on a 308 in an AR10.
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Do 7.62 AR10s really have a place anymore? A 6.5 is superior for external ballistics, even out of 14.5/16 barrels based on numbers I ran, and will have better hit probability in wind. Is there any reason other than perhaps barrel life to have one of these anymore?
A good use for them is burning up ball ammo if you have a stockpile. If I were in the market for just 1 ar10, it would be the cm.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Rbutcher you.must be a 30 something. You got to many ideological numbers crowding you. The 7.62 or 308 has 40 years+ on the creed. 40 years of GI surplus ammo and brass which neither are easy to find for the Creed right now. That is an advantage all the creeds ballistics can't /won' t surpass not an unimportant matter these days. Mb
" Cheapest velocity in the world comes from a long barrel and I sure do like them. MB "
almost everyone that i know that own an AR10 308 use them for hogs
Yep.
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No doubt the 308 is effective against game, and it totally makes sense if one has stockpiled thousands of 308 ammo.... I'm just trying to figure out what the 308 gets me that a 6.5 in the same barrel length doesn't have. Other than ammo and barrel life.
If ammo supply/cost is same/same, the 6.5CM buys you reduced recoil and sleeker bullets for longer range connections, while the .308 buys you more whoomp on flesh out to moderate ranges and slightly longer barrel life, at the cost of more recoil. Depends on what you are looking for. For more of a playtoy that is also going to the hunting field, I'd likely go Creedmoor if available.
No doubt the 308 is effective against game, and it totally makes sense if one has stockpiled thousands of 308 ammo.... I'm just trying to figure out what the 308 gets me that a 6.5 in the same barrel length doesn't have. Other than ammo and barrel life.
I'm happy you like the 6.5CM.
Ain't freedom to choose great?
I may have one at some point. But in the meantime, I'll just be happy with the penetration and energy out of my .308, and keep on killing stuff...
No doubt the 308 is effective against game, and it totally makes sense if one has stockpiled thousands of 308 ammo.... I'm just trying to figure out what the 308 gets me that a 6.5 in the same barrel length doesn't have. Other than ammo and barrel life.
I'm happy you like the 6.5CM.
Ain't freedom to choose great?
I may have one at some point. But in the meantime, I'll just be happy with the penetration and energy out of my .308, and keep on killing stuff...
Theres no hog in this world thats going to see a difference in the lethality of the 2 cartridges mentioned here, but in most cases the shooter will notice better accuracy and precision with the creedmoor. The milder recoil also allows for quicker follow up shots. Theres no contest as far as I'm concerned, but theres also nothing wrong with loving the 308
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
No doubt the 308 is effective against game, and it totally makes sense if one has stockpiled thousands of 308 ammo.... I'm just trying to figure out what the 308 gets me that a 6.5 in the same barrel length doesn't have. Other than ammo and barrel life.
Ammo is kind of a big deal. To me anyways.
If the Creed was as deeply entrenched in the military market, LE market, and hunting market, with equal or better ammo production, supply, and cost, then I would give the Creed the nod. But it isn't.
The other thing with me, I'm all tooled up for 308 Win, have been for many years. While the Creed has undeniable long range advantages, it's not enough of a difference to make me want to re-tool, re equip for it. My 308 LR load is a 208 Amax at 2600 fps. It shoots good well past 1000 yards.
I'll happily use the 308 for the forseeable future...….since my age starts with a 6, who knows how much longer that might be......grin
Just for $hitz-n-gigglz,
1800 yard target rockpile, Ruger 223 rifle in there for scale.
Shooting the 215gr Berger to 1800 yards....the 208 Amax does the same thing.
No doubt the 308 is effective against game, and it totally makes sense if one has stockpiled thousands of 308 ammo.... I'm just trying to figure out what the 308 gets me that a 6.5 in the same barrel length doesn't have. Other than ammo and barrel life.
Ammo is kind of a big deal. To me anyways.
If the Creed was as deeply entrenched in the military market, LE market, and hunting market, with equal or better ammo production, supply, and cost, then I would give the Creed the nod. But it isn't.
The other thing with me, I'm all tooled up for 308 Win, have been for many years. While the Creed has undeniable long range advantages, it's not enough of a difference to make me want to re-tool, re equip for it. My 308 LR load is a 208 Amax at 2600 fps. It shoots good well past 1000 yards.
I'll happily use the 308 for the forseeable future...….since my age starts with a 6, who knows how much longer that might be......grin
Just for $hitz-n-gigglz,
1800 yard target rockpile, Ruger 223 rifle in there for scale.
Shooting the 215gr Berger to 1800 yards....the 208 Amax des the same thing.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of speeds are you sending the 215 berger out of a 308? If I misread and you're shooting it out of something with more case capacity, disregard.