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T/C Hawken .54 #16208535 06/29/21
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Just picked one up. Did a little research and found that it most likely has a 1/48 twist. Lots of posts saying that this is a compromise and that it won’t shoot patched round balls or conical well. Does anyone have one? Suggested loads for conical/maxi ball or patched round ball?


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Re: T/C Hawken .54 [Re: Tom_in_VT] #16208793 06/29/21
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i have 2. one shoots both into nice little one hole groups at 25 yards. 50 yards it is cloverleaf. 100 yards 1.5 inch. off the bench
the other shoots both into 1.5 inch groups at all ranges. may be the sights i don't know..
round ball are .530 patched with spit patch of .010 100% cotton over 60g fffg .
maxi ball over a wonder wad over 70g ffg.
all powder is homebrew so your mileage will vary.

sorry about my ball size! corrected.
have 50's also

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Re: T/C Hawken .54 [Re: Tom_in_VT] #16208926 06/29/21
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Try it and see.

Get some .530/.535 round balls, .010 and .015 patches and see which shoots acceptably.

Just make sure the combination isn't too hard to load for hunting/multiple shot purposes.

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Well took me years to find one in 54 cal but I finally did. The lyman bp book is a good investment for you. My 45 and 50 T/C Hawkins are twisted like that too and they shoot round ball fine as well as sabots / pistol bullets in the 50. Real round ball only barrels are usually 1 in 60 or slower. My 50 cal roundball loads are heavier than deerstalker's are but you do what your gun likes get the 2nd edn lyman bp manual it will help. Mb


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Thanks. I’ll check into the Lyman BP book


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Tom.

I have the Renegade in.54 cal. which has a 26 in. 1/48 twist barrel. I use the T/C 430gr. Maxi Ball. That is the middle weight bullet T/C offered for the .54. With 100gr. of FF I usually put two touching and one just off for about a 1-1.5 inch group at 100 yards using peep sights. That's without swabbing the bore between shots.

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Originally Posted by aboltfan
Tom.

I have the Renegade in.54 cal. which has a 26 in. 1/48 twist barrel. I use the T/C 430gr. Maxi Ball. That is the middle weight bullet T/C offered for the .54. With 100gr. of FF I usually put two touching and one just off for about a 1-1.5 inch group at 100 yards using peep sights. That's without swabbing the bore between shots.


Same results with mine. Somewhere around here, I’ve got a target with 3 round balls touching at 100 yards with that same load. But my eyes were much better way back then! 🤠

Mine loves round balls. But it wouldn’t shoot any plastic sabo bullet combo worth a damn. No matter what I tried

I will add that the only thing I’ve ever treated the bore with is T/C Bore Butter. And I only shoot real BP.

Also, The Lyman BP Book mentioned above is the one I highly recommend for beginners. Great source of info!


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I just bought a .54 Renegade and still waiting for it to arrive. If I can get an inch and a half like some of you I'll be reall happy.

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Originally Posted by ATC
I just bought a .54 Renegade and still waiting for it to arrive. If I can get an inch and a half like some of you I'll be reall happy.


I’ve never seen one that wasn’t accurate.

Fun to shoot deer and pigs with too !


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My Renegade was supposed to be the only MZ that I would ever need. Then came the in-line revolution along with more rifles being bought. And the honest truth is the Renegade would be the last one I'd get rid of. Love that gun.

I've never tried round balls and have only used black powder. Additionally, primer choices matter. I use RWS primers. CCI primers did provide good accuracy but POI was five to six inches lower than my sight in with the RWS. I've stocked up enough primers and Maxis to last me till I'm done.

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I bought a T-C Hawken in .54 caliber back in 1984 and found that it shoots T-C Maxi-Balls great. The Hawken is a nice rifle, but the in-lines chased the traditional side-hammer guns out of the market. I hope that your rifle shoots as good as mine does.

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
I bought a T-C Hawken in .54 caliber back in 1984 and found that it shoots T-C Maxi-Balls great. The Hawken is a nice rifle, but the in-lines chased the traditional side-hammer guns out of the market. I hope that your rifle shoots as good as mine does.

I don't have a TC, but currently have 5 Investarms side locks. I like them, and can't imagine that an inline does anything better...

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I have owned a bunch of T/C and Lyman guns over the years. All flints. None shoot great with patched round ball and my charges. By that I mean around 5-6" group at 100 yards. I currently have a Renegade with a .54 Green Mountain barrel with 1-70" twist. It loves a patched RB and 90 Fffg. My first goups with the gun cloverleafed at 100 yards. But the big 32" barrel is real heavy. But it helps with recoil. I just wish the Renegade had more stock drop as with the Lymans.

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Originally Posted by benchman
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
I bought a T-C Hawken in .54 caliber back in 1984 and found that it shoots T-C Maxi-Balls great. The Hawken is a nice rifle, but the in-lines chased the traditional side-hammer guns out of the market. I hope that your rifle shoots as good as mine does.


I don't have a TC, but currently have 5 Investarms side locks. I like them, and can't imagine that an inline does anything better...


They are easier to clean. More convenient, but not necessarily better.

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I have both a Hawken and a Renegade in 54 caliber. They both shot very well with Hornady Great Plains bullets using Pyrodex Select.

I was looking for next level accuracy and switched to real black powder and No Excuses conical bullets and that did the trick! Both prefer 105 grains of bp.

I switched out both rifles nipples to accommodate musket caps and have had exactly zero misfires.

Would highly recommend you check out No Excuses ml bullets….they are a game changer.


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Musket cap and real BP if you can find it.
Worked great for me on several TC sidehammers

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I've burned probably 10-12 pounds of Goex FFFG in my T/C Hawken and have never experienced a misfire using CCI #11 caps and hot shot nipples.

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In 1/48 twist the rifling is shallow. TC made the barrels to be mated with their maxi ball. PRB is OK, but I found 80g to be about maxp

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I have a 50 cal. with a 1/48" . It shoots good enough for deer but my eyes are not good enough for real accuracy anymore with a peep sight. I went and got a Green Mountain in 1/66" twist and it is noticably more accurate, however, it is no cure for blurry eyes. SOme days I can really shoot good with the Green Mountain , and some days I cant so it is not the barrel.


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Load up 90 to 100 grains of real black powder behind a patched round ball. You’ll soon see how well it shoots! 🤠


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