That one 6mm is the only one I've ever caught, other than some 90 grain scenars in my 10 twist 243. There was nothing to see there other than a fragged jacket. They killed fine but man, they came unglued.
I'll try to get a pic of that recovered 105. A friend of mine's father used my rifle to shoot a nice mulie in Wy last year and he has the bullet.
Interesting thing is, that's by far the biggest animal that I saw the 105 used on and he died quicker than any of them that weren't high shoulder/spine shots. I think having more body to expand in made it kill better than the same shot on pronghorn and our small VA deer.
Seriously? You're gonna' compliment another man's meat on an open forum?
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New here but I've been following thread since the start. Last fall I started loading 6.5cr with 123sc, 264wm with 139sc and 7rm with 150g sc-l. Have taken multiple white tail through the spine. Complete clean pass through with little meat waste from mod 70 264 65g Imr 7828 139scenar. Spring black bears with 6.5 cm 44.5g 6.5 staball 123g scenar. One was at 250 yards right on front shoulder dropped stone dead no moan. Second was at 100 yards hit little far back of shoulder drug itself 10 yards and expired. Last big black bear was with sako a7 rtp 7rm loaded with 68g Imr 7828sc 150scenar-l at 75 yards. Pass through tipped over legs up finished. These scenar are so easy to develop loads for, not fussy for seating depth and are tough on game. Hopeing for chance on a moose this fall with a 284 long action mod 70 having built. It will be pushing 150 scenar-l forsure!
Assuming all Scenars are designed the same way, the 139 6.5 sure has a small hollow point. Any concern it getting battered closed from recoil in the magazine? Any observations of it "penciling through".
I may use my 6.5 Creedmoor on Antelope this year.
Want to keep the thread going.......
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Might be an issue getting damaged in mag. At creed speeds it will expand forsure. I've only damaged hollowpoints trying to feed scenars from junk clip in ruger a/p. Stupid feed angle off clip. The hollow point was all mashed but still worked fine on a black bear. Top of shoulders through the spine 3" exit
What is the min impact velocity for the 155 Scenar? I found an accurate, safe lot in my 20” .308 with Lapaua brass, 41 grains of benchmark and 155 at 2.800. Multiple 5 shot groups on difference days at 1/2”-3/4” groups from the prone position. And I’m usually a 1” shooter from the prone position.
I shot some 155s into a dirt hill with an impact velocity of approx 1850 and there was little to no expansion when I dug up the bullets
Below is my ballistic chart for the 155 at 2680 FPS at 7000’ elevation (yards, FPS, impact lbs)
I have killed two cape buffalo, and I don`t think there are many critters as tough, with solid bullets, so I guess it is correct to say that a well placed shot will kill almost anything with anything,
And do it rather efficiently when the animal is completely unaware of the hunter's presence like I would normally think is the case when taking the long shots that have become so trendy these days.
With this said, and encouraged by other's success with Scenars I bought a box of 136gr Ls to test and they proved to be quite accurate at 2,830 fps in a 6,5x57R with almost no fiddling. Out of curiosity I sectioned one lengthwise to find that the jacket in the hollow section of the tip appeared to be much thicker than that in other bullets of similar design, which left me scratching my head over its expansion properties in certain conditions like not hitting bone when impacting at low speed on a small animal.
For curiosity's sake I shot a roe deer doe in the lungs at 300 yds and I could only recover it with the help of my Bavarian Mountain Bloodhound. Maybe it was just bad luck because the bullet slipped in and out the thorax barely grazing a rib, but the fact is that the doe run for 300-350 yds like unscathed. I knew the exact spot where it was standing and could only find a few hairs and a speck of blood a couple of yards behind and nothing else.
I never argue with success, but that was the only scenar I shot at an animal.
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That a bummer to hear… that is one of my concerns with the 155 at sun 2000fps velocities on mule deer. But it’s pretty much the only bullet I can get my 308 to shoot well
My son shot a big mule deer buck a few years ago at just over 400 yds with the 155s in a 308. Two good hits. One through the rib cage, quarter sized exit. Hit a rib. Second exited through the lower shoulder. Exit about the same size. Not sure the velocity at that point. We have killed allot of critters with this bullet, elk, deer, wolves , coyotes. They are definitely thicker jacketed than the Berger, but they kill really well. I shot a wolf at 300 yds through the rib cage. That left an exit about the size of a 50 cent piece. That seems to e the norm. I haven't shot critters with it at 500 or 600 yds , but I know Pat has, maybe he will chime in. He shoots alot of them.
My son shot a big mule deer buck a few years ago at just over 400 yds with the 155s in a 308. Two good hits. One through the rib cage, quarter sized exit. Hit a rib. Second exited through the lower shoulder. Exit about the same size. Not sure the velocity at that point. We have killed allot of critters with this bullet, elk, deer, wolves , coyotes. They are definitely thicker jacketed than the Berger, but they kill really well. I shot a wolf at 300 yds through the rib cage. That left an exit about the size of a 50 cent piece. That seems to e the norm. I haven't shot critters with it at 500 or 600 yds , but I know Pat has, maybe he will chime in. He shoots alot of them.
Only about 12 or so critters last 2 years but always the exact same outcome. Whitetail, mule deer and 1 big hog. 6.5 creed 139 Scenar at 2870fps. All 1.5-2” clean exits. By clean I mean u could almost drop a golf ball into the hole. I have FULL confidence in this bullet. So much I’m now developing a load for the 180’s in the 7mag at 2950fps. I’m hoping it performs the same!