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I once saw an M70 that at first glance appeared to be marked .30 Gov't '03. Upon closer inspection, apparently the stamping tool was not completely in contact with the barrel when struck and the last digit was incomplete in such a way that it could be mistaken as a "3" by someone with a vivid imagination. Another possibility is that the barrel was refinished and enough metal removed around the cartridge designation so as to distort it to make it look like something it isn't. I would have to see a quality photo of the subject rifle to actually believe it is marked 03. Not calling anyone a liar, just mistaken, though I could also be mistaken. It happened once.
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It happened once. Was that the time you thought you were wrong but were actually right?
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Bingo!
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I would assume all, if not most of the Winchester M1895s in .30-03 have been rechambered to .30-06.
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As I recall the only difference is that the distance from the shoulder is a tad longer on the 03. Our family has a 95 and always shot factory 06 in it. We still have it. It is the gun I killed my first deer or two. It also accounted for a fair number of elk.
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As I recaljavascript:%20void(0)l the only difference is that the distance from the shoulder is a tad longer on the 03. Our family has a 95 and always shot factory 06 in it. We still have it. It is the gun I killed my first deer or two. It also accounted for a fair number of elk. When I was in high school, I had a friend whose mother inherited 2 Win. 1895's from her father; one was in 30-03 and he other was a 30-40 Krag. I offered to buy one of them but the offer was declined. I've always wondered where they ended up.
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I have in my hand, a new barrel, real pre-64, marked, Model 70 30gov't06. agree the one being talked about might have been polished for re-blue, or something, and destroyed part of the designation. The one I have appears to have never been on a rifle, so the markings are bright and clear.
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Nope, it's 30Govt.03. He double checked and got back with me.
I'm thnking Winchester put both of them out there.
From what I've been able to dig up, there is a 'range' of serial numbers where these were produced in a 'batch'. I would say he is wrong...no deadfuggin wrong! By 1948 the 30-03 was long dead and gone. Even the first run Springfields were converted to 30-06 about 43 years before that.
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I would assume all, if not most of the Winchester M1895s in .30-03 have been rechambered to .30-06. I have eight or nine M1895's here and one is a .30-03. I would think you could rechamber a .30-06 to .30-03 but you could not rechamber a .30-03 to .30-06. I say this because the .30-03 is a bit longer, I believe the neck is longer. The use of .30-06 cases works fine in the .30-03 but I suspect the other way around is not true.
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Right. Also, the 270 is pretty much the 30-03 necked down.
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Nope, it's 30Govt.03. He double checked and got back with me.
I'm thnking Winchester put both of them out there.
From what I've been able to dig up, there is a 'range' of serial numbers where these were produced in a 'batch'. I would say he is wrong...no deadfuggin wrong! By 1948 the 30-03 was long dead and gone. Even the first run Springfields were converted to 30-06 about 43 years before that. Thanks for the benefit of the doubt. I am very aware of the history of the 30-03 and that's why I'm very curious and hesitant to believe myself, but this guy has never steered me wrong. Not to mention a member here has sent me some information that may in fact conclude that it is possible some Model 70 actions had a 30-03 barrel put on them. Thanks for being a dick, really warms my heart, not.
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You're most welcome. Winchester would custom build one, and therein lies about the only possibility. Don't be so sensitive. I wasn't calling you or him any names. I see you're not quite so polite. I won't believe him until I see some good photos of it, and if it is a 30-03, he is a wealthy man.
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If you knew me you'd know I'm one of the most polite, generous people out there. You're initial reply just got my dander up some as the way it was worded "deadphucking wrong" implied to me I was a liar.
I understand being dubious on the whole deal. I am myself and have said that many times.
Alls well and have a good one.
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You too, my friend. I have no hard feelings whatsoever. If this really is in 30-03 your friend has something a Mdl 70 collector will kill for. I had NIB with hanging tags a 270 with a serial # 1270. I knew where it came from and the former owner. He had bought it new and tucked it away all those years, until 1979, when I bought it from his widow. I also saw one in 9X57 once. It could be that he has an '03. It is just highly improbable. Maybe I should have said things this way.
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The base to shoulder dimensions on both the .30/03 and .30/06 are identical. The .30/03 has a longer neck. .30/06 cartridges can be fired with no problem from a .30/03 chamber.
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Only the uninformed will say that Winchester NEVER made a ________ (fill in the blank). Now that is a fact , Winchester did some strange things back in the day !I know where there's a M70 Carbine in 30-30 , a lot of people will tell you they never nade that one either .
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If you read Rule's book you would be suprised at the calibers that were in the R&D department and never left the factory. What are the chances of finding a Springfield 03 in .30-03? But then again how could you tell, as the calibers werent stamped on them.
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I've thought about this topic for a while. In the deep recesses of my mind I have the vaguest of possible recollections that Winchester made a group of these in this caliber. Again, this is just a possible recollection from years ago. I've been a Winchester collector for the past 35+ years but not a M70 collector.
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