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pretty good to watch now and then. more than a tad overdone but not as bad as the crap that has come out in the last 20 years. martin sheens voice (or his brothers) narrating gave it a nice touch.
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It's an absurd fest of the worst of Hollywood excess. Copolla was a spoiled fool at that point and the movie is a string of gross self indulgences one after the other. Most beer swiling dolts remember the dumb macho-bravado flight of the valkyries/napalm-in-the-morning scene with patriotic sentiment, but the rest of the movie, they don't even get it. Brando agreed to do one month of "work" on the film for $2 million and 10% of some royalties (which worked out to $9 million). In today's dollars, that's 43 million. They couldn't even film him except in shadows because he was massively overweight. There was no room in the plot for a 350 pound Colonel Kurtz with type II diabetes. He certainly didn't earn 43 million dollars for his acting in the movie. Coppola downplayed Brando's weight by dressing him in black, photographing only his face, and having another, taller actor double for him. The whole mystical shroud around Kurtz's character is basically because $43 million was only enough to get Brando on the set, not to give a flip about making the movie.
Brando wasn't the only catastrophic disaster in making that movie. Hurricane Olga destroyed the sets and they had to be rebuilt. Martin Sheen, who was like the 47th choice to play Willard suffered a heart attack during production and his brother had to fill in to do the voice overs. I'm not criticizing the film for these unfortunate disasters, but they did exacerbate the prodigious budget overruns.
Repeatedly, the film went way over the budget only to have Copolla invest more of his own money to save it. Copolla himself is said to have described it this way: "We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little we went insane"
When I see it, I just see gross self-indulgence for no good cause. The film doesn't say anything meaningful about Vietnam -- it was never about Vietnam -- and it doesn't contribute anything artistically. It's not art. It's just a bunch of rich ass hats displaying their ineptitude and jerking themselves off by stroking their egos. If you want to watch a couple of fat fcuk Hollywood [bleep] spluge all over themselves, watch Apocalypse Now. There's even several versions because they think their chits artistic Cannes film crap that people will keep paying more money for them to reissue. Pretty much sums up what I think of Brando. Always thought he was an overrated hack.
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In fact MSGT Davis, an instructor in my ROTC Brigade said that in his experience, Platoon was a lot closer than Apocalypse Now, but he caveated that with the fact that he wasn't in Special Forces. He was in the 1st Cav. though. The Vietnam Vets I knew and know said the same. That Platoon was the closest to the real deal.
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How the hell did Martin Sheen have a heart attack at 36?
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How the hell did Martin Sheen have a heart attack at 36?
I’m guessing Coke. Like Father Like Son.
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about six months ago (I think) I stumbled across a link to the entire audio (dialogue and all) while searching for contributions to the Friday music thread... I have seen it enough times that I could picture everything in my head while listening... kind of like radio hour... it is one of the few movies that can stand up to that test, in my humble opinion...
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It's an absurd fest of the worst of Hollywood excess. Copolla was a spoiled fool at that point and the movie is a string of gross self indulgences one after the other. Most beer swiling dolts remember the dumb macho-bravado flight of the valkyries/napalm-in-the-morning scene with patriotic sentiment, but the rest of the movie, they don't even get it. Brando agreed to do one month of "work" on the film for $2 million and 10% of some royalties (which worked out to $9 million). In today's dollars, that's 43 million. They couldn't even film him except in shadows because he was massively overweight. There was no room in the plot for a 350 pound Colonel Kurtz with type II diabetes. He certainly didn't earn 43 million dollars for his acting in the movie. Coppola downplayed Brando's weight by dressing him in black, photographing only his face, and having another, taller actor double for him. The whole mystical shroud around Kurtz's character is basically because $43 million was only enough to get Brando on the set, not to give a flip about making the movie.
Brando wasn't the only catastrophic disaster in making that movie. Hurricane Olga destroyed the sets and they had to be rebuilt. Martin Sheen, who was like the 47th choice to play Willard suffered a heart attack during production and his brother had to fill in to do the voice overs. I'm not criticizing the film for these unfortunate disasters, but they did exacerbate the prodigious budget overruns.
Repeatedly, the film went way over the budget only to have Copolla invest more of his own money to save it. Copolla himself is said to have described it this way: "We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little we went insane"
When I see it, I just see gross self-indulgence for no good cause. The film doesn't say anything meaningful about Vietnam -- it was never about Vietnam -- and it doesn't contribute anything artistically. It's not art. It's just a bunch of rich ass hats displaying their ineptitude and jerking themselves off by stroking their egos. If you want to watch a couple of fat fcuk Hollywood [bleep] spluge all over themselves, watch Apocalypse Now. There's even several versions because they think their chits artistic Cannes film crap that people will keep paying more money for them to reissue. Born in '51. Lets just say that a number of movies, (quite a few watched during an altered state of consciousness) had different emotional effects. Most do not have the impact now that they did at the time, as everything was new back then. In an absolutely random order...... Easy Rider Aldous Huxley's "The Devils" A Clockwork Orange, The Deer Hunter, Once Upon a time in the West Billy Jack Deliverance Tommy Jesus Christ Superstar Thief Dr. Strangelove Dr Zhivago Last Tango in Paris Cool Hand Luke The Godfather Midnight Cowboy The Point Taxi Driver One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest (read the book first along with The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test ) Little Big Man Three Days of the Condor Papillion Straw Dogs could go on and on but methinks I'll do that a bit later once I'm wrapped in the arms of Bacchus ya! GWB
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It's an absurd fest of the worst of Hollywood excess. Copolla was a spoiled fool at that point and the movie is a string of gross self indulgences one after the other. Most beer swiling dolts remember the dumb macho-bravado flight of the valkyries/napalm-in-the-morning scene with patriotic sentiment, but the rest of the movie, they don't even get it. Brando agreed to do one month of "work" on the film for $2 million and 10% of some royalties (which worked out to $9 million). In today's dollars, that's 43 million. They couldn't even film him except in shadows because he was massively overweight. There was no room in the plot for a 350 pound Colonel Kurtz with type II diabetes. He certainly didn't earn 43 million dollars for his acting in the movie. Coppola downplayed Brando's weight by dressing him in black, photographing only his face, and having another, taller actor double for him. The whole mystical shroud around Kurtz's character is basically because $43 million was only enough to get Brando on the set, not to give a flip about making the movie.
Brando wasn't the only catastrophic disaster in making that movie. Hurricane Olga destroyed the sets and they had to be rebuilt. Martin Sheen, who was like the 47th choice to play Willard suffered a heart attack during production and his brother had to fill in to do the voice overs. I'm not criticizing the film for these unfortunate disasters, but they did exacerbate the prodigious budget overruns.
Repeatedly, the film went way over the budget only to have Copolla invest more of his own money to save it. Copolla himself is said to have described it this way: "We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little we went insane"
When I see it, I just see gross self-indulgence for no good cause. The film doesn't say anything meaningful about Vietnam -- it was never about Vietnam -- and it doesn't contribute anything artistically. It's not art. It's just a bunch of rich ass hats displaying their ineptitude and jerking themselves off by stroking their egos. If you want to watch a couple of fat fcuk Hollywood [bleep] spluge all over themselves, watch Apocalypse Now. There's even several versions because they think their chits artistic Cannes film crap that people will keep paying more money for them to reissue. Born in '51. Lets just say that a number of movies, (quite a few watched during an altered state of consciousness) had different emotional effects. Most do not have the impact now that they did at the time, as everything was new back then. In an absolutely random order...... Easy Rider Aldous Huxley's "The Devils" A Clockwork Orange, The Deer Hunter, Once Upon a time in the West Billy Jack Deliverance Tommy Jesus Christ Superstar Thief Dr. Strangelove Dr Zhivago Last Tango in Paris Cool Hand Luke The Godfather Midnight Cowboy The Point Taxi Driver One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest (read the book first along with The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test ) Little Big Man Three Days of the Condor Papillion Straw Dogs could go on and on but methinks I'll do that a bit later once I'm wrapped in the arms of Bacchus ya! GWB How could you leave out Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”?
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Apocalypse Now was rather bizarre. Platoon had elements of the real deal at times. YMMV
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The best scene in the whole movie is the Do Lung Bridge scene.
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Just finishing up watching this movie for the umpteenth time. The surreal weirdness of this movie has always captivated me for some reason. Anyone else here likes or hates this flick ? You need to watch the documentary on the making of Apocalypse. Call Heart of Darkness. Might be more interesting than the movie.
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Never cared for the movie. Also thought it was way overdone and it just didn’t strike me as “real”
Didn’t love platoon much either.
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Never cared for the movie. Also thought it was way overdone and it just didn’t strike me as “real”
Didn’t love platoon much either.
Full Metal Jacket is the best war movie ever made. The only one that might share that title is saving private Ryan IIRC, Apocalypse Now was the most expensive movie ever made at the time. $32 mil.
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Yep
See the Documentary and you'll see why!!
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It's an absurd fest of the worst of Hollywood excess. Copolla was a spoiled fool at that point and the movie is a string of gross self indulgences one after the other. Most beer swiling dolts remember the dumb macho-bravado flight of the valkyries/napalm-in-the-morning scene with patriotic sentiment, but the rest of the movie, they don't even get it. Brando agreed to do one month of "work" on the film for $2 million and 10% of some royalties (which worked out to $9 million). In today's dollars, that's 43 million. They couldn't even film him except in shadows because he was massively overweight. There was no room in the plot for a 350 pound Colonel Kurtz with type II diabetes. He certainly didn't earn 43 million dollars for his acting in the movie. Coppola downplayed Brando's weight by dressing him in black, photographing only his face, and having another, taller actor double for him. The whole mystical shroud around Kurtz's character is basically because $43 million was only enough to get Brando on the set, not to give a flip about making the movie.
Brando wasn't the only catastrophic disaster in making that movie. Hurricane Olga destroyed the sets and they had to be rebuilt. Martin Sheen, who was like the 47th choice to play Willard suffered a heart attack during production and his brother had to fill in to do the voice overs. I'm not criticizing the film for these unfortunate disasters, but they did exacerbate the prodigious budget overruns.
Repeatedly, the film went way over the budget only to have Copolla invest more of his own money to save it. Copolla himself is said to have described it this way: "We had access to too much money, too much equipment, and little by little we went insane"
When I see it, I just see gross self-indulgence for no good cause. The film doesn't say anything meaningful about Vietnam -- it was never about Vietnam -- and it doesn't contribute anything artistically. It's not art. It's just a bunch of rich ass hats displaying their ineptitude and jerking themselves off by stroking their egos. If you want to watch a couple of fat fcuk Hollywood [bleep] spluge all over themselves, watch Apocalypse Now. There's even several versions because they think their chits artistic Cannes film crap that people will keep paying more money for them to reissue. You are correct, it was never about Vietnam. It was an modern adaptation of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness. Brando showed up never having read the scrip, or Conrad's classic novel.
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See the Documentary and you'll see why!! If you're speaking to me, I've seen the documentary, as implied by my post earlier in this thread, where I cited it with its actual name. The movie certainly was about the Vietnam War. Conrad's novel about the Congo was re-worked to fit into America's Vietnam War experience. At the time, very few movies had been made about the war. The Deer Hunter, another movie which wasn't a very broad slice of the war, Coming Home, an anti-war hippie fest with Jane F u c k i n g Fonda, The Boys in Company C and Go Tell the Spartans which was about advisors very early in the war. Both Platoon and FMJ came about five or six years later with Purple Hearts, in between.
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I thought that the casting of Martin Sheen as the SF/CIA assassin was completely unbelievable. He did not look physically whatsoever like he'd gone through Special Forces training. No muscle mass or definition and appeared (to me) he'd not be able to march a ¼ mile with a heavy ruck, or fight his way out of a paper bag. I've known several vets who were S.F., SEALs, Force Recon, etc., and they were very fit with defined muscles. The physical training that "special operators" go through, Special Forces, SEALs, Rangers, Force Recon, Parajumpers, etc., requires very physically fir young men. Sheen did not fill the bill at all.
As for Platoon, Oliver Stone, who wrote and directed Platoon, is a Vietnam vet. Two tours, 25th Inf. Div. LRRP. Purple Heart, Bronze Star with V., and then in the 1st Cav. Another Purple Heart. Aside from some "movie literary license," I thought Stone made a very good Vietnam movie.
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So what if I don't know what 'Apocalypse' means?
It's not the end of the world!
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I'm a fan. Thought it was great. Seems to me I recall it was based on a true story of a major that went rogue.
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